Sexuality

[Devil King]

Why are some people attracted to certain things? Why are some things considered 'wrong'?
Is everyone just bi-sexual? What do you think about homosexuality and why are people like that?

Discuss. I'll add more input later.

[moogle]

I'm of the persuasion that people should be free to explore any sexual desire they want as long as it's under consensual terms.

As for why people are attracted to certain things, I'm not in a position to say. I have a foot fetish but I can't explain it. Scientists have theories that it has to do with neural overlapping of the feet and genitalia but they're much less certain on that than they are on matters of homosexuality. That's the comparison I like to bring up when people ask why I like feet, I ask them why they think gay people are attracted to the same sex. We don't always have a good answer for these questions but why not live and let live all the same? I'm under the impression homosexuality is genetic, but even if it wasn't, it shouldn't really make a difference.

[Less Than Liz]

Luke Guldan. That is all.

[moogle]

I've heard this too and it makes sense. If you don't mind me asking, what are the responses from people when they learn about your fetish, because, I know a lot of high profile celebrities have come out and said they have this same fetish, so I was wondering how "accepted" it is. Seems that foot fetishism is probably one of the most common non-traditional fetishes out there, but it also seems that it's still kind of taboo.
Only a couple people I know have become aware of it, but so far the reaction has been what you'd tend to expect: "Huh? What's so great about feet?" That's it, really.

[Atlas]

I'm no expert in the field of human sexuality. But on a moral level, I think it's fine for people to go after what they desire, as long as it's within the bounderies of the law (i.e. rape would be considered wrong to me).

I for one am not attracted to men, whatsoever. It's easy to tell whether or not a man is attractive, but as far as lusting after a man, it's never happened to me.

Many types of women attract me. I've always been very attracted to women who're respectful, beautiful, self-aware, cutesy, intelligent, and all that jazz.

I just love women. I hope to find that "one" someday, too.

[Blackdragon]

I'm not sure about this. As far as sexuality goes, I believe it all comes down to a manner of preference. I got into an argument with with my Ex about homosexuality. She believed it's a part of their genetic code, while I thought it a choice.

[Devil King]

I honestly think it can be both in different cases; sometimes I see mere children displaying homosexual mannerisms and behavior, can this simply be attributed to a choice? Maybe, but unlikely.

It's like saying that it's a choice for males to like women -- it's pretty much in our genes (or most of us), to be attracted to women, but so is homosexuality. I can see that perhaps some males 'pretend' to be gay, but then you have to ask yourself, why would they even pretend if they're not harboring some kind of feelings of attraction?

I just know how I feel, so it's hard to know how another person feels or what they are attracted to. I'd like to think I'm pretty open minded, and beauty is beauty, in my opinion. True beauty transcends genders, but I'm attracted to feminine beauty more than I am masculine beauty, by far.

[Blackdragon]

I can understand that. Though I've heard the point from someone else that it's unnatural, since to procreate opposing genders need to be involved. So the whole being a choice things makes sense when you think about it that way.

As far as other things go, I've heard that they have to do with attraction to a potential mates attributes. Which would explain my love for boobs. Doesn't explain why I like them big though...

[moogle]

I can understand that. Though I've heard the point from someone else that it's unnatural, since to procreate opposing genders need to be involved. So the whole being a choice things makes sense when you think about it that way.
First of all, homosexuality does occur in nature, and while that doesn't necessarily mean it's genetic, it doesn't make it "unnatural." And even if it was unnatural, how does that automatically make it bad? The natural world can be quite cruel, and there have been studies that show infanticide on the part of the mother in humans might very well be a natural, primal reaction that has evolutionary significance. Conversely, look at the way virtually every human lives their day-to-day lives. How much of what you consume or interact with is "natural"?

And to the point that you would think if homosexuality was genetic, you wouldn't have the "gay" gene passed on to offspring, at its surface that would seem to make sense. Unfortunately genetics isn't so clear-cut like that. For instance, there was a study that showed female relatives of homosexual men tended to have more offspring. And you also have to take into consideration how a homosexual individual could potentially affect the chances of the offspring in a family of their survival. I know I could put it more eloquently than that, but understanding genetics is tricky stuff.

[Less Than Liz]

Honestly, if it was "unnatural," why should we give a shit, anyway? You going to throw out your PS3 anytime soon because it didn't grow out of the ground?

[LataKali]

Actually, homosexuality is natural. Observe how many different types of animals, for instance, display some sort of homosexual behavior.

[Mark]

perhaps we should make organic PS3s...

anyway I personally dont care what tickles your fancy, floats your boat, ect. so long as it does not affect my ass then anyone can be what they want. Me personally. I like being with one chick. not big on the whole group ordeals and not into the whole bi-sexual ordeal either. I would say it is awesome but really its not my thing. I like the one on one action. I like the connection that you get with just one person. also a thing about sex with me is I need to trust the other person. if I do not trust her then nothing will happen. its more then just getting off its a bond between myself and a woman. perhaps I am just an old dying romantic type when it comes to this shit, but its true in my case. then again it could just also be a side affect from that time...but not getting into that. She ruined enough for far too long. no use dwelling on an old mistake.

[Devil King]

Those evangelicals over in that lot seem pretty intent on thinking homosexuality is unnatural. Maybe they're unnatural, with their fanfare and ridiculous charades. Hah!

Before Moogle posted, I was going to bring up the issue of homosexuality in nature. Compared to animals, our brains are infintely vast in comparison (not the case in many instances, I'm afraid), so is it a choice they also partake in? Evidence seems to be pointing to the gene pool.

When I feel attraction to a member of the same sex, it's no more a choice than it is when I find a member of the opposite sex attractive. So I geuss you could say it's a choice, but where does said choice originate from? It stems from somewhere, and that's most likely what we find inherently attractive -- and what dictates that? Our genes.

[Less Than Liz]

Actually, homosexuality is natural. Observe how many different types of animals, for instance, display some sort of homosexual behavior.
Yeah, Moogleman already mentioned as much; I just don't see what the relevance of "being natural" (or not) even is.

[LataKali]

Blast! It would appear that my secret has slipped out. I don't read long posts. :p

[Tenacious P]

I've never had a weird fetish. Unless it's weird that I prefer chubby girls to bony supermodels.

[Evil]

Underwear > nudity.

[WOTON]

Sex until marriage and only in the missionary position.

[Blackdragon]

I've never had a weird fetish. Unless it's weird that I prefer chubby girls to bony supermodels.

It's not weird, you and I are in the same boat. Bring on the BBWs!

[Trillian]

No fetishes here and I'm generally not weirded out by them, but there are some very far out fetishes out there. I'm not even in anyway bisexual, I can appreciate and identify another female as pretty or cute, but I don't feel any attraction toward them.

I think it's safe to say I have sexual preferences but no fetishes...

[Polygon]

My opinion is that sexuality is based off environment. I don't think anyone is born with a sexual preference any more than liking peas or a certain color.

[Atlas]

Alright, for you all who are talking about whether or not this whole sexuality deal is a choice or not, I've conjured up a plan to put your minds at ease.

All the men will stand in a room naked. Whoever gets a boner is gay.

Then, all of the woman will stand in a room naked. This is where it gets tricky, ya see. I'll supervise this event and skip the gayfest. How'll we ever figure out who's a lesbian, you ask? Well, I'll just have to probe all of the girls for their heart rate.

Easy as pie.

[Devil King]

Alright, for you all who are talking about whether or not this whole sexuality deal is a choice or not, I've conjured up a plan to put your minds at ease.

All the men will stand in a room naked. Whoever gets a boner is gay.

Then, all of the woman will stand in a room naked. This is where it gets tricky, ya see. I'll supervise this event and skip the gayfest. How'll we ever figure out who's a lesbian, you ask? Well, I'll just have to probe all of the girls for their heart rate.

Easy as pie.

I seriously doubt that.

There are various factors you have to take into account; if I were to witness a woman (or man) standing naked before me, chances are I wouldn't get an erection because I don't know them, and wouldn't care to. So you have apathy, shyness, and a plethora of other factors getting thrown into the mix. Maybe some of the males have erectile dysfunctions.

I see where you're going with it, though.

[Atlas]

Yes. I just wanna give out some beef injections. That's all, really.

[Hyde]

Honestly, if it was "unnatural," why should we give a shit, anyway? You going to throw out your PS3 anytime soon because it didn't grow out of the ground?

This was probably the most awesome quote of the entire thread.

Also? Atlas is gay. He may not know it yet, but he is.

Sexuality is whatever you want it to be, and should be exactly that so long as it's all consensual. There's nothing unnatural, immoral or evil about it. Anyone that says otherwise is generally bound by programmed preconceptions and a ton of religious dogma.

[LataKali]

Atlas, I'll give you the infamous "10 cool points" if you admit you're gay. Because I have also always known you were. ;)

[Devil King]

Atlas, I'll give you the infamous "10 cool points" if you admit you're gay. Because I have also always known you were. ;)

Yeah, I want him to admit to it cos we all know he is.

[Evil]

Everyone is gay!

GAY!

[TheBlatantKatana]

I prefer guys, but I do appreciate beautiful women. If I actually had a girl of the type that I consider the most beautiful that was interested in me, I'm not sure I'd know what to do with her. Like a dog that chases cars.

Eh, I listed my fettishes once before, and I'll do it again ^_^

Mild fat fettish (I'm not into the morbidly obesse, but I can't stand either scrawney, or super muscular men. Lean muscle is fine, but it's not my ideal type.), guys who cross dress and do it well (I also like to watch them undress from normal wear and dress in feminine clothes and makeup), mild medical fettish, serious hand fettish (I won't let anyone touch me unless ther hands are my canon of beauty, which is: lean hands with long, thin fingers, short nails that are not bitten.My hand preference is difficult, yet not impossible to find on plush guys).

For women, I prefer that perfect hourglass shape. I don't like large, poorly proportioned breasts. I perfer leaner women, with a little plush on them. But I'm much more picky with women.

[Devil King]

So... Evil is pretty hot.

I mean Ichael.

[Atlas]

Me, gay? Hmmm... That would be pretty ironic, but it just isn't true.

Sorry, gentlemen, but I'm strictly a ladies man.

[Devil King]

Just keep on telling yourself that, Atlas. ;)

[freeflow^]

I like big butts.

[Atlas]

And I cannot lie.

[Devil King]

I like big butts.

Co-signed.

[Evil]

So... Evil is pretty hot.

I mean Ichael.

<3

[Tenacious P]

When I sound out your username, I am reminded of Hitler.

[TheBlatantKatana]

HaHa...

The girl I've been attracted to lately has what she calls a "ghetto booty" whatever it is, it looks delicious to me. Sadly, we'll always be nothing more or less than friends. But, I kinda enjoy just having eye candy. Takes the stress out of it.

Speaking of eye candy, I just discovered that there's a bar with drag queens near the campus. I must check it out sometime...

[Atlas]

Go get that Ghetto Booty, damn it. Don't let some built up, "just friends" mentality sway you.


GET THAT BOOTY.

[TheBlatantKatana]

Ah, but she's not a lesbian/bi and she has a boyfriend. I have no hope :(

Ah well. Looking's free :D

[Atlas]

You obviously care about her more than her boyfriend does. Quit fooling around. Find that perfect moment then capture what is yours. Capture it like you know you want it; own the idea and kill off that wretched pretense of hope; make your hope your reality, boy.

[TheBlatantKatana]

Ah, but once again, she's not attracted to girls.

And I prefer men anyway. To me, women are just for visual appreciation. Like a sunset. Sunsets are beautiful, but you wouln't want to have sex with a sunset, right? Yeah, that's how I feel about women.

Stil...I've always been a sucker for things that are just so damn...grabable. :D

[Atlas]

Thought you were a guy.

This changes everything.

For the better.

[TheBlatantKatana]

Eh, I've had to clear up my gender a lot on this forum over the years...
I even have a female avatar this time :D

Or maybe you're just kinda dense :D

[Atlas]

Haha. Yeah, I'd say the latter is probably more true.

[TheBlatantKatana]

Perhaps it would do you good to read the posts you are responding to rather than just skimming them, hmmmm? :D

Of course, I always double, and sometimes triple check threads before I post to them. But I'm OCD...

Anyhoo... on a completely different note, but getting back to the original topic...
...penises are gross....
Yet I say I perfer guys? Yeah. I don't make sense sometimes. Seriously though. The male genitalia definately leaves something to be desired as far as aesthetics go.

Why then am I not all that sexually attracted to women? The fartherest I would want to go with a woman is M.M. the other options....are not at all appealing to me...

[Atlas]

I've never been attracted to men. Women are great, though. Sexiness is only a fraction of what I need in a woman, though. Intellect, sensibility, and a little cold-heartedness--those are the things I like.

Women, like sunsets? I guess I can see that.

[Ges]

I would say this thread degenerated into the great, technicolor world of dicks like all good threads do, but I guess it started that way, huh?

But yeah. I don't like dicks, either. Just so you folks can put that on the record.

[Devil King]

Perhaps it would do you good to read the posts you are responding to rather than just skimming them, hmmmm? :D

Of course, I always double, and sometimes triple check threads before I post to them. But I'm OCD...

Anyhoo... on a completely different note, but getting back to the original topic...
...penises are gross....
Yet I say I perfer guys? Yeah. I don't make sense sometimes. Seriously though. The male genitalia definately leaves something to be desired as far as aesthetics go.

Why then am I not all that sexually attracted to women? The fartherest I would want to go with a woman is M.M. the other options....are not at all appealing to me...

It's odd, because I'm the complete opposite. I am not naturally drawn to vagina much, but I prefer females over males. I'm much more attracted to a package ;)

[TheBlatantKatana]

It's odd, because I'm the complete opposite. I am not naturally drawn to vagina much, but I prefer females over males. I'm much more attracted to a package ;)

Well, at least I'm not completely alone in this way of thinking. I wonder why that is though. Seems strange to be drawn to a gender who's genitalia I have little interested in. Must just be a visual thing.

Guess I also like the way that lean, muscular people look, but I just wouldn't want any physical contact with such a person. I perfer soft, cuddly things.
I guess the French chick from Pulp Fiction was right, "It's unfortunate that what is attractive to the eye, and attractive to feel are not one in the same" ...or something like that.

[generalelectric]

should one feel dirty for looking at porn? more and more i think so. i wonder if that's a strange attitude to have nowadays.

[LataKali]

I don't feel dirty about looking at it in moderation, but I think it's rather repulsive when people are obsessed or seemingly addicted to porn. Some of it I really enjoy and some of it makes me sick to my stomach, but the same can be said about movies or TV shows. But you're not alone in feeling that way. I've come across a lot of people who feel dirty both watching porn and masturbating. To each their own.

[generalelectric]

actually it's more about the exploitation than the masturbating. masturbating is good stuff.

[Indigo]

My mind is split in this subject. It all comes down to morality to be honest.

On one side I think that sex should be proclaimed and accepted as a natural thing. I don't think people should find sex disturbing or blasphemous, when in my opinion it should be celebrated. However this is not the case. Sex happens with privacy, and is discussed with privacy. During an idealist civilized conversation you don't tell someone you just met about what you do in bed or who you do it with. It's private, and intimate. So when someone asks someone else about their sexuality, that question should be considered perverse as the person is basically asking with the intention of know what you do in private and who do you do it with.

Another thing is what the word Homosexual, or Bisexual implies. Does it mean who you love? or your lifestyle? Because not every homosexual leads a homosexual lifestyle.

I believe you acquire a sexuality is either genetic or nurtured at a very young age(9 months to 7 years of age maybe... not much older).

As far as hatred for "alternative" sexuality goes, the root is religion and the media. I do understand why homophobes are scared of sexuality. I think they dislike homosexuality because they can’t help concentrating on what homosexual men do to one another. And when you contemplate what people do, you think of yourself doing it. And they don’t like that. That’s the famous joke: I don’t like peas, and I’m glad I don’t like them, because if I liked them I would eat them and I hate them.

[Devil King]

Another thing is what the word Homosexual, or Bisexual implies. Does it mean who you love? or your lifestyle? Because not every homosexual leads a homosexual lifestyle.

I find that human sexuality is a complex and beautiful thing, but the fact remains that they are still in a homosexual relationship. I never liked the assumptions that go along with being bisexual or homosexual -- the real problem you're getting at is not what the word means, but the promiscuity that it implies, which I find absolutely retarded. Albeit, I know of many people who identify themselves as homosexual and are generally annoying little sluts, but at the same time there are many heterosexual individuals that are the very same way.

So it has nothing to do with your sexuality but everything to do with how much of a slut you are. Unfortunately what I just said doesn't tend correlate with homophobes.

As far as hatred for "alternative" sexuality goes, the root is religion and the media. I do understand why homophobes are scared of sexuality. I think they dislike homosexuality because they can’t help concentrating on what homosexual men do to one another. And when you contemplate what people do, you think of yourself doing it. And they don’t like that. That’s the famous joke: I don’t like peas, and I’m glad I don’t like them, because if I liked them I would eat them and I hate them.

This is the general mentality of people in Texas and it's why I dislike a vast majority of the population here.

[Indigo]

So it has nothing to do with your sexuality but everything to do with how much of a slut you are. Unfortunately what I just said doesn't tend correlate with homophobes.

I think what is also partly to blame are the scenes that gay men people are associated with (gay clubs and bars mainly). I singled out men here because lesbian activities usually revolve around other things like book clubs for example.

[twerp]

I find that human sexuality is a complex and beautiful thing, but the fact remains that they are still in a homosexual relationship. I never liked the assumptions that go along with being bisexual or homosexual -- the real problem you're getting at is not what the word means, but the promiscuity that it implies, which I find absolutely retarded. Albeit, I know of many people who identify themselves as homosexual and are generally annoying little sluts, but at the same time there are many heterosexual individuals that are the very same way.

So it has nothing to do with your sexuality but everything to do with how much of a slut you are. Unfortunately what I just said doesn't tend correlate with homophobes.



This is the general mentality of people in Texas and it's why I dislike a vast majority of the population here.

Sorry, but homophobes don't care about any sort of implied promiscuity. It's the dicks going in asses they get hung up on.

[Tenacious P]

So does anyone know a asexual?

[Atlas]

Haha. Do asexual humans exist?? Forgive my ignorance.

[charolastra00]

Haha. Do asexual humans exist?? Forgive my ignorance.

More common than you would think.

One of my best and oldest friends is asexual. We had long talks about it when I was practically living with him in England. In his case, it's not that he doesn't want companionship but he's just not interested in sex. For other people, the idea of sex actually repulses them.

[Atlas]

Intriguing.

[Tenacious P]

This article piqued my interest:

Link (http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/734318--the-fourth-sexual-orientation)

[Indigo]

Haha. Do asexual humans exist?? Forgive my ignorance.

My best friend thinks she's asexual.

She's not attracted to either genders and the thought of sex and sexual organs is repulsive to her.

I mean I can't really judge since I don't really know how it feels.

What's really strange is the sexual attraction to objects, or even holy objects(Hierophilia). Has anyone seen "feed" here? that was sick, but I've heard real stories about feederism. Some sexual fetishes can be really hard to comprehend.

[Ges]

Um.

I always basically thought asexual = plants.

Meaning they can reproduce without a partner. I don't think any human is asexual.

...right? Or am I mixing words up again?

[Atlas]

Normally I do believe it does mean that, scientifically. However, I think what the kids here are referring to are people without sexual desire.

[Indigo]

Um.

I always basically thought asexual = plants.

Meaning they can reproduce without a partner. I don't think any human is asexual.

...right? Or am I mixing words up again?

Yeah I don't know why they call it asexual, but that's what they call them. They can't reproduce on their own (unless they're women and they go to a sperm bank). But they just don't have any sexual attraction.

Although hermaphrodite humans(double gender) do exist, they're sexual organs usually don't function like normal and even if they did I don't think they would be able to reproduce with themselves.

[Devil King]

Sorry, but homophobes don't care about any sort of implied promiscuity. It's the dicks going in asses they get hung up on.

Yeah... it's their loss.

[Void]

I didn't read any of the posts, so hopefully this wasn't brought up.

Awhile ago, someone posted a thread where there was a study based on how homosexual or heterosexual certain individuals are. 0 was completely homosexual and 6 was heterosexual, and everything in between was a different level of bisexual. They said that the rarest people fell under 0 and 6. Their reasoning in this was that if someone could understand a member of the same sex being attractive at all, then they would not be completely heterosexual.

It sounds pretty lame, but I guess that's kind of the way I view it.

And all that said, sexually, I'm a fucking freak (as I'm sure anyone who knows my history can understand) so I guess I shouldn't be saying what's right or wrong.

EDIT:

I always basically thought asexual = plants.


Most plants reproduce sexually. Asexual organisms reproduce without partners, most plants are either male or female, and collect pollen which allows them to bloom and go to seed.

[Less Than Liz]

Wait, anyone who could understand why someone of the same sex was attractive was not completely heterosexual? Is it impossible to acknowledge a cultural beauty ideal without being attracted to it?

[Void]

The argument was that if you could understand the beauty of something, you would have an attraction to it (or in this case, him or her). But it might be a small attraction that wasn't necessarily sexual in nature. I guess it would come down to more of a semantic ideal, really.

[Indigo]

I didn't read any of the posts, so hopefully this wasn't brought up.

Awhile ago, someone posted a thread where there was a study based on how homosexual or heterosexual certain individuals are. 0 was completely homosexual and 6 was heterosexual, and everything in between was a different level of bisexual. They said that the rarest people fell under 0 and 6. Their reasoning in this was that if someone could understand a member of the same sex being attractive at all, then they would not be completely heterosexual.



How does one go about judging how heterosexual or homosexual someone is?

[Void]

Based on how attracted the are to members of the same or opposite sex. So if you were equally attracted you'd be 3. If you were a little more to one than the other, than 2 or 4, and if you were mostly attracted to one, it'd be 1 or 5.

[charolastra00]

It's the Kinsey scale.

[Devil King]

I do not believe in the traditional trifecta of gay/straight/bi. I do believe in my Daily Variable Percentile Sexual Orientation Scale! It's very loosely based on Alfred C. Kinsey's "Grey Scale" except it's a 10 point system instead of a 7 point. With 0 being flaming ultra gay and 10 being ridiculously machisimo-ed out straight. Of course, you could think of it as being the other way around though that's what I'm going with for this example. The thing is, it's variable so depending on how one feels that day, it can change.

[Indigo]

I heard about that, but it just seemed to me like a game of truth or dare, or something like that.

I've always been interested in Freud's theory of the Oedipus complex as an explanation for the origin of sexuality.

I do not believe in the traditional trifecta of gay/straight/bi. I do believe in my Daily Variable Percentile Sexual Orientation Scale! It's very loosely based on Alfred C. Kinsey's "Grey Scale" except it's a 10 point system instead of a 7 point. With 0 being flaming ultra gay and 10 being ridiculously machisimo-ed out straight. Of course, you could think of it as being the other way around though that's what I'm going with for this example. The thing is, it's variable so depending on how one feels that day, it can change.

I wonder where the ridiculously machisimo-ed out gay fits.

[DrunkSwashbuckler]

Meh, I would never rule out experimenting for the other team at least once, though the fiancee wouldn't let that fly.

[Atlas]

Meh, I would never rule out experimenting for the other team at least once, though the fiancee wouldn't let that fly.

Plot twist.

[Devil King]

I've always been interested in Freud's theory of the Oedipus complex as an explanation for the origin of sexuality.

Explain.

I wonder where the ridiculously machisimo-ed out gay fits.

Probably somewhere smack in the middle with a slight leaning towards one side or another. Or not.

[Indigo]

Explain.

http://changingminds.org/disciplines/psychoanalysis/concepts/oedipus_complex.htm


Probably somewhere smack in the middle with a slight leaning towards one side or another. Or not.My point was that your attitude towards your sexuality doesn't mean you're any more or any less attracted to a gender. I have a friend who is the "straightest" guy I have ever met and he just so happens to be gay, and is not interested in women in the least.

[Atlas]

DK, I believe the Oedipus Complex states that all men have some sexual attraction to their mothers, or something. With the equivalent in girls being called the Electra Complex.

[Indigo]

DK, I believe the Oedipus Complex states that all men have some sexual attraction to their mothers, or something. With the equivalent in girls being called the Electra Complex.

See this is why I posted the link instead of explaining, because there's so much more to it.

Men who at a young age acknowledge that the father is a dominant figure are envious of the father for being the owner of the mother, therefore the child grows trying to relate to the father in order to obtain a woman that is like unto the mother, because, as you said, the child wants the mother back. The origin of this draws back to the moment when the child recognizes it's existence. And realizes that the child and the mother aren't one anymore.Therefore searching for something to replace her for the rest of his life. (this theory is commonly used in the classical Hollywood narrative, man ends up with the woman, happy ending blah blah).

This is the influence for a heterosexual male or a lesbian female subject of the Oedipus complex.

And yes as you mentioned the Electra complex, that's what happens both with heterosexual girls and homosexual men.

It's called the Oedipus complex because of the myth of Oedipus. A man who killed his father and married his mother.

[Less Than Liz]

Meh, I would never rule out experimenting for the other team at least once, though the fiancee wouldn't let that fly.
She might if you let her watch.

[DrunkSwashbuckler]

Only if I get to watch her.

[Phakiel]

The last chick I fucked wanted to put a finger up my ass. She got on top of me while I was laying face down, spread my legs, then played around but didnt go for it. It actually felt kinda weird, not bad, but I felt like a whore.

[twerp]

Yeah that's a no-fly zone for me.

[Devil King]

The last chick I fucked wanted to put a finger up my ass. She got on top of me while I was laying face down, spread my legs, then played around but didnt go for it. It actually felt kinda weird, not bad, but I felt like a whore.

I've always tried talking my ex girlfriends into doing that, but they thought it was too weird. How dull.

[Phakiel]

It was the oddest moment in my sexual history, not that it has been particularly diverse but still I guess more than an average dull person as I do like to go over the border a bit, but for what seemed like a pretty long time, I became the dominated party and not by force, somehow too scared and curious to move, wondering how far will she go and more importantly if I would actually let her do it.

I was feeling incredibly seduced, even with my first lay who was also an older woman (although much older than this last one who is just 8 years my senior) she liked to play the part of the poor laid woman, whereas this one could really turn the tables quite fast.

[twerp]

Please tell me you played the part of the gardener.

[Phakiel]

Actually I played the part of the dumb student who couldnt understand french.

[twerp]

"I don't understand french, but I love the way they kiss."



You'd be a champion if you used that line.

[Phakiel]

I wish, I could hardly hide the boner and the nerves, I was such a virgin.

[twerp]

Never hide your boner. Ever.

[Ges]

Well, you might want to if you were at a daycare or nursing home or something.

[twerp]

That makes you a sellout, Ges.

[Void]

It's the Kinsey scale.

Ah yes. I had forgotten the name.

See this is why I posted the link instead of explaining, because there's so much more to it.


I didn't read the whole page, but what about children with separated parents, or parents who never had a lasting relationship at all?

[Indigo]

I didn't read the whole page, but what about children with separated parents, or parents who never had a lasting relationship at all?

That's a good question, and something that Freud didn't particularly address, because these scenarios of a family form are considered "new". Even though they existed, they weren't really commonly debated in the 1920's. Some philosophers discuss it but I don't really agree with a lot of them. I like to see it as not mattering because the bottom line is the child's intention, if the child aspires to have a father as a role model it would have the same attitude as a child in a "healthy" family with the same aspirations. The only difference is that the first child doesn't have a constant male figure, but it could be a friend of the mother's or an uncle or a teacher. So, in my opinion, the form of the family doesn't affect anything. A lot of people think that the theory says that if you're a child of a single parent you will be gay. Which I find to be a ridiculous interpretation and completely pisses all over the theory.

The theory is interesting, I don't believe it always works, but it's an interesting way of thinking. I don't believe it's an absolute truth (but then there isn't much I believe in).

[Void]

I suppose it would depend a lot on the situation, as well. The reason I asked is because my parents separated when I was 2 months old, and I've never really had any lasting relationship with my father. I haven't really ever done any reading on it, but I'd be curious to see what the professionals say about someone who grew up in the same kind of home as me.

[Indigo]

Well in the case of a father leaving, that still doesn't stop the child from feeling jealousy towards the father, which is what conventionally happens according to the complex, only the child wouldn't be fallowing in the father's footsteps, because he's not there, but the jealousy of the father is all that's needed for the child to be straight, only the child will not have a role model to fallow in order to know how to obtain a partner(in this case a woman) like who has the same traits as the mother.

Sorry if I'm confusing you, I'm kind of confusing myself.

[Void]

I can follow. And it makes sense... at the very least ;P

[Inari]

FYI Freud is bullshit.

[Devil King]

FYI Freud is bullshit.

[Indigo]

I disagree. I don't think anyone knows or can explain the absolute truth, but any theory well thought is worth a read.

[Inari]

Except for it's all made up and to discuss it as if it really explained human behavior is to take a big steaming dump on the science of psychology.

[Indigo]

It's a theory. It's not treated as if it's total fact, it's just a theory. Get over it.

[Devil King]

I can see both FE and Inari's points. Freud's ideas are no doubt profound in their own right and definitely influential, but to me they are full of shit. I've seen great ideas to me in the form of Jungian archetypes and psychology, yet another may dismiss the ideas as crap.

So in retrospect I can agree more with FE even if I do dislike Freud.

[Inari]

It's "just a theory" like the "theory of Santa Claus" or the theory that if you jack off too much you'll go blind.

[Atlas]

I think they're thinking of psychology in more of a fantastical way than scientific. Yes, Freud is influential and he did help the progression of psychology, but his theories have been mostly dismissed.

Period.