the twilight saga

[scorpion]

so what are your thoughts on this movie? love it?hate it? never seen it? I saw it the first movie and didn't like it at all, seemed kinda dumb to me for a vampire to be fauning over a human. and I'm definitly not gonna go see new moon whenever that comes out cause it looks even worse than the first.

[Devil King]

I'm a bit indifferent.

What's more annoying than Twilight itself are all the idiots proclaiming that it's annoying.

[Less Than Liz]

I wouldn't say it's annoying, but it's definitely very shitty writing. That said, to each his own.

[Atlas]

Hrm. I'm so lost regarding this topic. While I do loathe Twilight, I'm not sure I can completely legitimize my total lack of appreciation for the novels and film.

[Evil]

It's ok.

[charolastra00]

I'm a bit indifferent.

What's more annoying than Twilight itself are all the idiots proclaiming that it's annoying.

Because it is annoying? Bella is all that is wrong in teenage girls glorified.

I read most everything, but I actually physically couldn't stomach getting through Twilight. Give the same storyline to a decent author and it might not have been too bad.

[Polygon]

I haven't read the books and I haven't seen the first movie. In all honesty, I might find them entertaining. What's annoying isn't the Twilight series itself. What's annoying are the hoards of lemmings that are obsessed with it.

[LataKali]

I'm a bit indifferent.

What's more annoying than Twilight itself are all the idiots proclaiming that it's annoying.

Like me. :p Because it is annoying.

[Atlas]

I bet Blue reads Twilight.

[charolastra00]

I bet Blue reads Twilight.

And we all know Karsh reads it- immature teenage girls, and all.

[Mark]

the movie is so EMO I started thinking about ways to kill myself. I am not a fan one bit, as a matter of fact I think it is ruining literature and film as we know it.

[LadyAkuma]

I wish I wrote the saga.

[Devil King]

I'll just quote a post by Priest that was from another thread. It pertains to that thread as much as it does this one, and proves a good point.

Oh, I don't know. Twilight (the book) has sold over 40 million copies, been translated into 20 languages and received many positive reviews. I have no numbers available, but I am sure that plenty of older, or mature, readers have read the books. The sheer popularity suggests that.

I understand that Twilight is not a fucking literary masterpiece, but it does what it's supposed to do and it does it wonderfully. The fact that many people are annoyed by it shows an even greater impact the books (and movies) have.

EDIT: I'm totally on Team Edward.

[Luisfe]

Haven't read the books, haven't seen the movies. But from what I've read and heard about it makes it seem like the vampires are somehow gayer than Anne Rice's vampires while being heterosexual.

I mean, glitter? What the hell.

[Abominari]

I like the way some write off those who stand against Twilight as just being "annoyed", as if they couldn't possibly have any legitimate, significant concerns about its deleterious themes and atrocious prose.

[DrunkSwashbuckler]

I'll watch porn, but I'm certainly not going to defend it for its artistic values.

[Devil King]

I'm hoping to see it tonight if all goes according to plan.

[Atlas]

Your plan is to jump in sewage?

[Phakiel]

I read they are selling the main chick's womb with a little human vampire hybrid fetus inside. Thats a bit too much.

[Devil King]

Your plan is to jump in sewage?

No, but to jump into bliss.

Life is all about perspective. "If I fall hit a revolving door it's a tradegy, but if you hit a revolving door it's a comedy" -- or something to that extent since I forgot the actual quote.

[Indigo]

What's more annoying than Twilight itself are all the idiots proclaiming that it's annoying.

And what's more annoying than that is this: http://mylifeistwilight.com/

Twilight is big here in the UK. I for one completely dislike it. I tried watching the film and I was just waiting for the scene where Belle uses the toilet or takes some laxatives to cure her constipation. Instead they showed me a baseball game. I fail to understand why the whole thing is so popular. Rob Pat only ever acted well one, in this British independent film called "How to be"(a comedy about a guy going through a quarter life crisis).

In all I found Twilight hilarious actually. But I'm not fond of the craze.

I read they are selling the main chick's womb with a little human vampire hybrid fetus inside. Thats a bit too much.

I think that was fan made, but it's true.

I actually like the after effects of this film for one thing, it's an easy filter that separates people I want to be associated with and Twilight fans.

[Devil King]

I actually like the after effects of this film for one thing, it's an easy filter that separates people I want to be associated with and Twilight fans.

You jest.

You honestly can't lump people into those two categories; feelings and friendship go beyond petty labels such as that, surely.

[Indigo]

You jest.

You honestly can't lump people into those two categories; feelings and friendship go beyond petty labels such as that, surely.

I see your point, but I was mainly referring to people I don't already know. If a first conversation I have with someone revolves around how that person is into twilight that conversation may quickly become the last.

[Devil King]

Ah, yeah.

My girlfriend hates people who like Twilight, but she doesn't hate me. :)

[Atlas]

Go team Jacob.


Or something.

[Indigo]

Or something indeed.

[Hyde]

I've read the books. I've seen the movies.

I like the story.

As for the writing, her prose is approximately jack shit. But I can forgive alot when I like the story behind the writing. As for Teams?

I'm definitely Team Edward.
http://www.jasonhyde.net/stuff/300.jpg

[Phakiel]

I am watching the first movie right now. I dont know how impartial I can be due to the absurd amount of critique I have read and heard regarding this movie, or honest to god distaste and bad acting and writing, but what I have found about is that the entire thing to be quite ridiculous.

Its still watchable though, because its just too damn stupid to be angry about it. Also Bella's friend has some nice tits and Nikki Reed looks amazing.

Still, that whole sparkling thing, like diamonds? Vampires glister in the sunlight, I think that was too much. I could have taken the whole being able to go out since its Washington and all, after all we have seen Deacon Frost be up and about using only sunblock and I said "Sure, I'll run with that", but sparkly vampires? Retarded.

[Indigo]

http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/showhype/story_large/2009/02/21/twilightfoot.jpg

[Hyde]

People(and by people I mean guys, especially on the internet) go way overboard on the anti-Twilight shit.

But it's cool. That's how jealousy is.

[twerp]

I only resent this series because I thought vampires were cool when I was 15, and all I got was an asskicking.

If I was born 10 years later, I'd be swimming in teenage poontang.

[Devil King]

People(and by people I mean guys, especially on the internet) go way overboard on the anti-Twilight shit.

But it's cool. That's how jealousy is.

I tend to agree with this.

[Indigo]

God? Why can't I be Edward?

[Atlas]

People(and by people I mean guys, especially on the internet) go way overboard on the anti-Twilight shit.

But it's cool. That's how jealousy is.

That is not the case with me.

I genuinely hate these films. If I thought for one single minute second that I might reasonably enjoy the story enough to detract me from how much I think the overall premise sucks so much, I would give it a chance.

But it's cool. That's how good taste is.

[drunken monk]

lol I agree with Atlas. I dont really see what there is to be jealous about. I can see where the appeal is if your a girl. But if your a dude thats over the age of 13... Thats where I get confused. Hopefully its just an act to get chicks.

If your a dude how can you be watching twilight and ever think to yourself "sparkling vampires are cool"... The whole premise is ridiculous.

When I was younger I was all over Interview with a Vampire. Thats a real vampire flick. Twilight is trash in comparison... I think its trash no matter what you compare it to.

I completely understand why its popular but looking at it as a vampire movie. It sucks. Theres nothing wrong with taking an old idea and making it new. But what they did with Twilight is take an old idea and completely fuck everything up to give girls/pre teens/scene kids something to ogle over. And thats the only reason its popular. Not because its good. Because they marketed twilight in that manner.

[Indigo]

lol I agree with Atlas. I dont really see what there is to be jealous about. I can see where the appeal is if your a chick. But if your a dude thats over the age of 13... Thats where I get confused. Hopefully its just an act to get chicks.

If your a dude how can you be watching twilight and ever think to yourself "sparkling vampires are cool"... The whole premise is ridiculous.

When I was younger I was all over Interview with a Vampire. Thats a real vampire flick. Twilight is trash in comparison... I think its trash no matter what you compare it to.

I completely understand why its popular but looking at it as a vampire movie. It sucks. Theres nothing wrong with taking an old idea and making it new. But what they did with Twilight is take an old idea and completely fuck everything up to give girls/pre teens/scene kids something to ogle over. And thats the only reason its popular. Not because its good. Because they marketed twilight in that manner.

Amen sister!

Although I've never cared for vampire movies(they should have ended in Dracula IMO) this film is like the shit on my cauliflower(as in the opposite of icing on my cake, though I don't mind cauliflower for the record).

One thing I can't stand is to see bad performances being appreciated to a global degree. I don't understand what kind of hook this series has on people, and I don't think I ever will. But again I must same watching the film while not being serious about it was a riot, I genuinely couldn't stop laughing. A constipated girl falls in love with this shiny, 100-and-whatever year old virgin vampire who stalks her and crawls into her room at night just to watch her sleep. You can't come up with this shit. Whoever wrote this must have been a loner of a woman who ran out of gay porn to masturbate to so stated doing it over vampire films. And when she ran out of those she didn't know what to do with her spare time and started putting all these components from everything she'd been rubbing off to into a book, and then sold it to a bunch of Miley Cyrus enthusiasts.

[Hyde]

Vampires are Vampires. The vampires can read thoughts, throw Buicks through walls, move fast and are almost impossible to kill. They are vampires in every sense of the word and you have a problem with the fact that in sunlight, they sparkle like a gem....which, given the fact that their skin is hard like granite or gemstones, makes technical perfect sense.

Also, you seem to be under the illusion that these books/films are about vampires. They aren't. Vampires happen to be in the movie, but saying these are vampire movies is like saying Romeo and Juliet is about the Capulet Family and the Montague Family. Yeah, they're there and being what they are is part of the story...but it's got nothing to do with the main plot.

Twilight is a love story. A romance. In fact, it's very much a (very poorly written) Romeo and Juliet for the 21st Century. The fact that vampires are in it is all but irrelevant. It's a plot device to put the main characters in some kind of danger. The real reason women love it and men tend to hate it is very simple: Women want their Romeo, Men want to not be "measured up" to a fictional character. They hate it because it's written for women, like smut novels with Fabio covers.

Let's examine Twilight vs. The Vampire Chronicles as drunken monk did. In TVC, the characters are largely all either gay or bisexual and a point is made to emphasize that in the books if you've ever read them. The Vampire Chronicles is also largely OVERWRITTEN and takes such ridiculous lengths with the vampire as a creature that many writers have panned it as, get this now....a self indulgence on the part of the female author.

Authors write what they want and what they like, and every so often, they strike a chord. How many men out there read war novels and books about science fiction that women could care less about and not see the appeal of? Right...just about ALL of them(all the men who read anyway)...But do you see women panning and lampooning and making fun of the latest Dune novel? or the Ender's Game series? No. You know why?

Because they don't care.

Men don't seem to have that ability. Especially not guys on the internet....if it "Sucks" then everyone must agree it sucks or there will be EPIC panning on the scale the world has just not seen and everyone who thinks differently is obviously "wrong" or "has bad taste..."

The real reason is very simple: Men are insecure about their own self worth. Women aren't. At least not most of them.

[Indigo]

Authors write what they want and what they like, and every so often, they strike a chord. How many men out there read war novels and books about science fiction that women could care less about and not see the appeal of? Right...just about ALL of them(all the men who read anyway)...But do you see women panning and lampooning and making fun of the latest Dune novel? or the Ender's Game series? No. You know why?



I guess that means I have a vagina. And since there's quite a bit of sci-fi factors in twilight I guess that gives a large amount of women a little dick at best. Hey we're all hermaphrodites guys! I joke.

I agree that some men just dislike the series because it makes them insecure, but trust me, that is definitely not the case for me. It's a bad romance. It's like a cross between a very badly acted "the notebook" with "van helsing". Both of which I had a hard time watching. But whatever it's a bad film and I can get over that. But it's a funny watch! I got the same out of it as I did watching "plan 9 from outer space".

The hype doesn't really annoy me as much as it gives me something to laugh at. I'm going to post this again just to back up this point: http://www.mylifeistwilight.com/

I do agree that people on the internet tend to use the "taste" in an attempt to make them feel better about their choices being "appropriate" or whatever the cool kids are into these days.

Well in terms of twilight I can't really judge since "Hocus Pocus" is like my favourite halloween film of all time, and it's almost just as tacky.

[drunken monk]

Hyde: I dont know if you will have a problem with me separating your post but its pretty long and I feel its the best way to hit all of the points your trying to make.

Also, you seem to be under the illusion that these books/films are about vampires. They aren't. Vampires happen to be in the movie, but saying these are vampire movies is like saying Romeo and Juliet is about the Capulet Family and the Montague Family. Yeah, they're there and being what they are is part of the story...but it's got nothing to do with the main plot.

Twilight is a love story. A romance. In fact, it's very much a (very poorly written) Romeo and Juliet for the 21st Century. The fact that vampires are in it is all but irrelevant. It's a plot device to put the main characters in some kind of danger. The real reason women love it and men tend to hate it is very simple: Women want their Romeo, Men want to not be "measured up" to a fictional character. They hate it because it's written for women, like smut novels with Fabio covers.

I get what you mean and Im fully aware of what Twilight is. You can compare it to Titanic in that sense. It takes place on the Titanic but thats not what its about. Its about a love story. I dont have any issue at all with the fact that Twilight is a love story. I hate Twilight because its made from the ground up to target an audience that can completely ignore everything thats wrong with it because Edward is dreamy... Sorry but it takes more then that to captivate me.

Let's examine Twilight vs. The Vampire Chronicles as drunken monk did. In TVC, the characters are largely all either gay or bisexual and a point is made to emphasize that in the books if you've ever read them. The Vampire Chronicles is also largely OVERWRITTEN and takes such ridiculous lengths with the vampire as a creature that many writers have panned it as, get this now....a self indulgence on the part of the female author.

I made it a point to use TVC as an example because of Ann Rice. A female author that did the whole vampire thing right. I dont mind that TVC is "self indulgent" on her part because she didnt completely fuck up the vampire mythos.

I dont care if the vampire theme is a central point or not. Twilight is just way too ridiculous. Would it be ok if at the end of Titanic the ship was sunk by an alien space ship? No! Twilight just changes way too much shit for me to accept the vampire theme at all. It has nothing to do with it being a love story.

Authors write what they want and what they like, and every so often, they strike a chord. How many men out there read war novels and books about science fiction that women could care less about and not see the appeal of? Right...just about ALL of them(all the men who read anyway)...But do you see women panning and lampooning and making fun of the latest Dune novel? or the Ender's Game series? No. You know why?

Because they don't care.

Ive been panned by every girl if been with for liking what I like. Women are just as guilty as guys are.

And its funny that you used Ender's Game as an example because my last gf turned me onto that series. And she also hated Twilight. Twilight has been an on going joke with her and all of her girlfriends.

It has nothing to do with guys vs women. Theres just as many chicks out there that hate Twilight as much as guys do.

Men don't seem to have that ability. Especially not guys on the internet....if it "Sucks" then everyone must agree it sucks or there will be EPIC panning on the scale the world has just not seen and everyone who thinks differently is obviously "wrong" or "has bad taste..."

The real reason is very simple: Men are insecure about their own self worth. Women aren't. At least not most of them.

Again Ive run into as many girls that are insecure about themselves as guys. But I dont see how that has anything to do with Twilight. You had a point with the romance novels because obviously a guy isnt going to get anything from that. But we arent talking about the book equivalent of female targeted porn.

We are talking about a love story. With a vampire theme! If anything is going to attract a guy to a love story that should be it. But it doesnt. Because Twilight is ridiculous. I can say with extreme confidence that as soon as current fads die out so will twilight. Because thats all Twilight is. Theres nothing note worthy about it at all. Its a poor love story that capitalizes on current fads.

Lastly... If Im secure enough with myself to enjoy a story about "bi sexual vampires" why would I not be secure enough with myself to enjoy Twilight? I know that wasnt targeted directly at me but I dont think its right to take every Twilight hater and put them all in the same group. I and many other people have legitimate reasons for disliking it.

[Atlas]

Men don't seem to have that ability. Especially not guys on the internet....if it "Sucks" then everyone must agree it sucks or there will be EPIC panning on the scale the world has just not seen and everyone who thinks differently is obviously "wrong" or "has bad taste..."

The real reason is very simple: Men are insecure about their own self worth. Women aren't. At least not most of them.

That sounds great and all, but it still doesn't apply to me.

If you want to ramble philosophically, go for it. In essence there is no concrete agreement which can be made by all groups of society regarding what is or is not "good taste." "Taste" is a sociological term which is defined by any given society at any given time. It's extremely subjective; however, I find much of our society's ability to discard quality prose for rubbish prose such as Twilight unequivocally fascinating. You yourself even admitted to the exquisitely bad prose that makes up the Twilight Series. Beyond this extremely menial point is the fact that the quality of acting which is displayed in Twilight is in my opinion even worse than that woman's writing. Anyone can jump on my bandwagon of logicality here, but this is being said purely for my own defense: I genuinely dislike Twilight. If you or anyone else enjoys that sensationalized makeshift vampire love story, so be it. But let it be known that I'm quite okay with my masculinity: and even if I am sometimes insecure, it sure as hell wouldn't affect my liking or not liking of Twilight.

[Luisfe]

Hyde: I dont know if you will have a problem with me separating your post but its pretty long and I feel its the best way to hit all of the points your trying to make.



I get what you mean and Im fully aware of what Twilight is. You can compare it to Titanic in that sense. It takes place on the Titanic but thats not what its about. Its about a love story. I dont have any issue at all with the fact that Twilight is a love story. I hate Twilight because its made from the ground up to target an audience that can completely ignore everything thats wrong with it because Edward is dreamy... Sorry but it takes more then that to captivate me.



I think that this comparison is not exactly accurate. IIRC, the love story in Titanic was barely a thin excuse to show off most of the boat, giving them an excuse to show all the interiors and such, which would be pretty understandable since Cameron was completely obsessed with the ship. And hell, they built a nine tenth's scale replica of the ship's exterior for the movie, and fullscale replicas of the interiors on sets. The story in that movie is pretty much secondary to the backgrounds on it.


Edit and to be on topic: This I would watch.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/21684/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-WHY-BREAKING-DAWN-MUST-BE-MADE-INTO-A-MOVIE/Page1.html

Fake edit: Count Chocula: Better vampire.

Double edit this time not fake: Videodrome, Naked Lunch, Scanners or The Fly (maybe Dead Ringers as well) for Cronenberg's most grossest film?

[Hyde]

I hate Twilight because its made from the ground up to target an audience that can completely ignore everything thats wrong with it because Edward is dreamy... Sorry but it takes more then that to captivate me.

And that's entirely your choice to make. It wasn't designed to target an audience from the ground up(as is evidenced by the fact that the Author never intended to have it published. It was originally written as a birthday present for her sister.), but I understand what you're saying. It's a girl's thing. I happen to enjoy the essence of the story myself, though I think her writing ability is mediocre at best.



I made it a point to use TVC as an example because of Ann Rice. A female author that did the whole vampire thing right. I dont mind that TVC is "self indulgent" on her part because she didnt completely fuck up the vampire mythos.

I dont care if the vampire theme is a central point or not. Twilight is just way too ridiculous. Would it be ok if at the end of Titanic the ship was sunk by an alien space ship? No! Twilight just changes way too much shit for me to accept the vampire theme at all. It has nothing to do with it being a love story.

Here's where I have a problem. First and foremost, Anne Rice DECIDEDLY changed a ton of things for the vampire mythos. I think we can agree that Bram Stoker's Dracula is ICONIC to what a vampire is supposed to be in most respects. It was *THE NOVEL* that made this type of thing fashionable. If you eliminate the whole Dracula turning into demonic creatures and animals thing, what you have left is largely....the Twilight Vampire, sans sparkle. Anne Rice decided Vampires could fly, could leave their bodies and take over human hosts, could have telekinetic powers, and for that matter, PYROkinetic powers causing things to burst into flames with a thought.

The Twilight vampires are...largely normal people with enhanced strength, senses, speed, etc. Their only "EXTRA" being that they bring something of themselves into their life with them, and it amplifies over time. That's why Edward can read thoughts. Yeah, they can exist in sunlight. So could Dracula. However, instead of becoming a weaker version of themselves(which made very little sense in Dracula) they simply....sparkle. It's not mystical. It's biological due to the rock-like consistency their skin becomes.


Ive been panned by every girl if been with for liking what I like. Women are just as guilty as guys are.

Theres just as many chicks out there that hate Twilight as much as guys do.


Well, that speaks more about the kind of girls you're dating than about girls in general. In general, the girls I know really don't care what I read, listen to or watch and don't make fun of me for it if it's something they don't care for. As for there being *just as many* girls out there that hate it as there are guys, IMDB and 94 thousand people entirely disagree with you: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1099212/ratings



Again Ive run into as many girls that are insecure about themselves as guys. But I dont see how that has anything to do with Twilight. You had a point with the romance novels because obviously a guy isnt going to get anything from that. But we arent talking about the book equivalent of female targeted porn.

No, that's exactly what we're talking about. Lots of girls don't really watch porn. They don't need the visual interaction. That's not how most girls "work"...they need the emotional and mental stimulation, not just the visual.

We are talking about a love story. With a vampire theme! If anything is going to attract a guy to a love story that should be it. But it doesnt. Because Twilight is ridiculous. I can say with extreme confidence that as soon as current fads die out so will twilight. Because thats all Twilight is. Theres nothing note worthy about it at all. Its a poor love story that capitalizes on current fads.

Most guys really don't give a shit about "vampires"....if Edward were a robot, a ninja, a zombie, etc. you might be right. But he's a vampire. And a *good* vampire. He's not a murderer. And it's a story from a 17 year old girl's perspective. It's not being written for you and it's only ridiculous to people that don't like it.

Hell, I think Dragonball Z, Naruto, and in fact, MOST Anime is absolutely ridiculous. I find the entire concept of Hentai(Anime Porn for those that don't know) to be not only ridiculous, but POINTLESS and perverse. But those are my opinions and I know even many of you get off on such things.

Lastly... If Im secure enough with myself to enjoy a story about "bi sexual vampires" why would I not be secure enough with myself to enjoy Twilight? I know that wasnt targeted directly at me but I dont think its right to take every Twilight hater and put them all in the same group. I and many other people have legitimate reasons for disliking it.

Why not? You're putting every Twilight liker in the same group.

That sounds great and all, but it still doesn't apply to me.

Sure it does. You have some of the biggest inadequacy complexes I've ever dealt with.

If you want to ramble philosophically, go for it. In essence there is no concrete agreement which can be made by all groups of society regarding what is or is not "good taste." "Taste" is a sociological term which is defined by any given society at any given time.

Incorrect. "Good Taste" is entirely subjective from a single person's viewpoint. Otherwise, one cannot explain the popularity of: rap music, Dane Cook, reality television, soap operas, the ice capades, Ashton Kutcher, "Jackass", and (for you scrubs fans) Hugh Jackman.

It's extremely subjective; however, I find much of our society's ability to discard quality prose for rubbish prose such as Twilight unequivocally fascinating. You yourself even admitted to the exquisitely bad prose that makes up the Twilight Series.

It doesn't take a mastery of the English language and a degree to craft an interesting or engaging story, and say what you will, but if you like Vampires or love stories, it IS an interesting story with twists and turns I liked, and a mythology that is rather fascinating. Yes, the prose is bad. Stephenie Meyer has a tendency to think she's Emily Bronte, and she isn't. But I can forgive bad prose for a story that I enjoy. Just as I do for every JRPG I've ever played.

[Devil King]

What really annoys me is how many people are anti-Twilight. They go on and on about how much they hate it when in truth they're just as annoying as what they're opposing.

I'm almost liking Twilight out of spite. Kind of.

[drunken monk]

And that's entirely your choice to make. It wasn't designed to target an audience from the ground up(as is evidenced by the fact that the Author never intended to have it published. It was originally written as a birthday present for her sister.), but I understand what you're saying. It's a girl's thing. I happen to enjoy the essence of the story myself, though I think her writing ability is mediocre at best.

That comment was made in reference to the movie. I wasnt talking at all about the book.

Here's where I have a problem. First and foremost, Anne Rice DECIDEDLY changed a ton of things for the vampire mythos. I think we can agree that Bram Stoker's Dracula is ICONIC to what a vampire is supposed to be in most respects. It was *THE NOVEL* that made this type of thing fashionable. If you eliminate the whole Dracula turning into demonic creatures and animals thing, what you have left is largely....the Twilight Vampire, sans sparkle. Anne Rice decided Vampires could fly, could leave their bodies and take over human hosts, could have telekinetic powers, and for that matter, PYROkinetic powers causing things to burst into flames with a thought.

I made the comment earlier "Theres nothing wrong with taking an old idea and making it new." Thats what she did. And she did a great job. Everything she changed made sense. If dracula can turn into a bat why is it so outrageous that she gave vampires have the ability to fly?

But even with all the change she still showed vampires for what they are.

The Twilight vampires are...largely normal people with enhanced strength, senses, speed, etc. Their only "EXTRA" being that they bring something of themselves into their life with them, and it amplifies over time. That's why Edward can read thoughts. Yeah, they can exist in sunlight. So could Dracula. However, instead of becoming a weaker version of themselves(which made very little sense in Dracula) they simply....sparkle. It's not mystical. It's biological due to the rock-like consistency their skin becomes.

How does it not make sense that dracula was weaker in sunlight? We arent talking about humans here. Were are talking about undead creatures of the night. Thats what vampires are so I dont see how that doesnt make sense.

The fact that Twilight vampires are more human is exactly what bothers me. Vampires arent supposed to be able to live anything close to a normal life. They arent supposed to be parading around in day light, they arent supposed to be going to school, and they sure as fuck arent supposed to be able to impregnate human females.

This is what I have a problem with. You find it odd that vampires can fly, their weak in sunlight, they have telekinetic powers, but its totally exceptable that an undead creature can somehow impregnate a human female? Oh but it doesnt stop there. Not only do male vampires have the ability to help create life but in twilight land female vampires dont... how does that make any sense at all?

You also talked about how in Twilight vampires have special powers. Some gift they inherit from their human lives that amplifies over time... becoming a vampire is a curse not a gift. Vampires are supposed to lose more humanity over time not the other way around so how does it make any sense that a vampire would inherit a special power from their human lives?

I have a problem with Twilight because it makes vampires out to be something you would want to be. Like I said becoming a vampire is supposed to be a curse not something you would ever hope for.

Well, that speaks more about the kind of girls you're dating than about girls in general. In general, the girls I know really don't care what I read, listen to or watch and don't make fun of me for it if it's something they don't care for.

Hey I never said it wasnt in good fun.

As for there being *just as many* girls out there that hate it as there are guys, IMDB and 94 thousand people entirely disagree with you: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1099212/ratings

I dont think that 94 thousand people accounts for the millions of people that have watched and read twilight. Just the people who cared enough to vote.


No, that's exactly what we're talking about. Lots of girls don't really watch porn. They don't need the visual interaction. That's not how most girls "work"...they need the emotional and mental stimulation, not just the visual.
No thats not what were talking about. Ive known women that masturbate to those kinds of books. Do you know of anyone that reads or watches twilight to get off?

Why not? You're putting every Twilight liker in the same group.

Not at all. You obviously dont fall into a girls/pre teen/scene kid category. The only reason I mentioned that at all is because thats obviously what crowd the movie is geared towards.

You obviously have your own reasons for liking it and thats cool. Whatever floats your boat. But it doesnt float mine. And thats not due to some inadequacy or whatever. I just dont like that shit.

I really dont know why your standing up for twilight the way you are because youve openly admitted to its flaws. I like Dynasty Warriors and Im sure as hell not going to stand up for it because Im fully aware of whats wrong with it. Theres just certain things about it I like.

The really sad thing about all this is that there is a really good vampire love story out there and its not getting the attention it deserves. Let the Right One In. Thats how its done. And of course its not going to ever have any kind of success here because its not all prettied up like twilight is.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by Atlas

That sounds great and all, but it still doesn't apply to me.



Sure it does. You have some of the biggest inadequacy complexes I've ever dealt with.

Sic stet, you syphon some seriously "inadequate" arguments here; is this what you would call foreplay?

Originally Posted by Atlas

If you want to ramble philosophically, go for it. In essence there is no concrete agreement which can be made by all groups of society regarding what is or is not "good taste." "Taste" is a sociological term which is defined by any given society at any given time.


Incorrect. "Good Taste" is entirely subjective from a single person's viewpoint. Otherwise, one cannot explain the popularity of: rap music, Dane Cook, reality television, soap operas, the ice capades, Ashton Kutcher, "Jackass", and (for you scrubs fans) Hugh Jackman.

Individually speaking, yes; that isn't too hard to figure out. I was speaking in regards to sociology. Get the picture?

Originally Posted by Atlas

It's extremely subjective; however, I find much of our society's ability to discard quality prose for rubbish prose such as Twilight unequivocally fascinating. You yourself even admitted to the exquisitely bad prose that makes up the Twilight Series.

It doesn't take a mastery of the English language and a degree to craft an interesting or engaging story, and say what you will, but if you like Vampires or love stories, it IS an interesting story with twists and turns I liked, and a mythology that is rather fascinating. Yes, the prose is bad. Stephenie Meyer has a tendency to think she's Emily Bronte, and she isn't. But I can forgive bad prose for a story that I enjoy. Just as I do for every JRPG I've ever played.

It also doesn't take a mastery of the Arts and a some guts to say what you want. You like it, good for you; but I can say without a single strand of doubt that it's horrible; moreover, there are tons of individuals who would back me up on this; regardless, it really doesn't matter, Jason, because like the Devil King said himself, telling you over and over that the series is rubbish only inflames the issue, and really, there is no issue; so take your Twilight and head on home, my Edwardian pawn.

Good day.

[Hyde]

I made the comment earlier "Theres nothing wrong with taking an old idea and making it new." Thats what she did. And she did a great job. Everything she changed made sense. If dracula can turn into a bat why is it so outrageous that she gave vampires have the ability to fly?

But even with all the change she still showed vampires for what they are.

Okay, first of all... "What they are?" You're talking like you believe in all this, but if you go and research actual vampire myth, you'll find very little reference to ANYTHING you think you know. Traditional Myth is all over the place and the only reason your notions of a vampire are what they are is because certain ones have grown more popular because of Bram Stoker.


How does it not make sense that dracula was weaker in sunlight? We arent talking about humans here. Were are talking about undead creatures of the night. Thats what vampires are so I dont see how that doesnt make sense.

Vampires were seldom the undead in traditional myth, more often being demons. Again, you're talking about a Stoker vampire. You're talking about YOUR notion, and granted, a lot of people's notion, about what a vampire is.

The fact that Twilight vampires are more human is exactly what bothers me. Vampires arent supposed to be able to live anything close to a normal life. They arent supposed to be parading around in day light, they arent supposed to be going to school, and they sure as fuck arent supposed to be able to impregnate human females.

Actually, that's EXACTLY what Vampires did. They impregnated women with demonic children. Look it up. They were also called an Incubus. And IF Vampires were real, it's all entirely understandable. How else do you blend in when you don't want to be a monster? What are you supposed to do? Just pretend you don't exist? Sit in a room all the time like a statue? You'd have to try and live a normal life so as not to draw attention to yourself...if for no other reason and I can think of plenty of other reasons.

This is what I have a problem with. You find it odd that vampires can fly, their weak in sunlight, they have telekinetic powers, but its totally exceptable that an undead creature can somehow impregnate a human female? Oh but it doesnt stop there. Not only do male vampires have the ability to help create life but in twilight land female vampires dont... how does that make any sense at all?

This one is easy. A Vampire wouldn't have the ability to physiologically change past the initial transformation. Therefore, women cannot become pregnant because the body cannot nurture or adapt to a fetus. They don't produce eggs to even BE impregnated. The males on the other hand would be locked into whatever age they are. In Twilight, the fluids of the body are "infected" and transformed by the vampire's venom. That would include semen, now including the vampire's genetic makeup. Again, none of this is real so why not? It makes perfect sense why a female wouldn't be able to give life but why a male would, and also go so far as to say it rarely ever happens because a male vampire wouldn't be able to stop from killing the woman in such a situation.....except in cases like this one where he loves her.

You also talked about how in Twilight vampires have special powers. Some gift they inherit from their human lives that amplifies over time... becoming a vampire is a curse not a gift. Vampires are supposed to lose more humanity over time not the other way around so how does it make any sense that a vampire would inherit a special power from their human lives?

And where did you get this from? Anne Rice? Even Dracula was still a passionate, emotional, HUMANISTIC presence. He was consumed by love. I think perhaps you need to read the book. Losing your humanity isn't something one needs to worry about as a vampire. It's how you deal with what you are. By definition, anyone living for centuries would lose touch of what it means to be human at times. Vampire or otherwise.

I have a problem with Twilight because it makes vampires out to be something you would want to be. Like I said becoming a vampire is supposed to be a curse not something you would ever hope for.

Let me make this abundantly and simply clear: If a "traditional" Stoker or Rice-type vampire, stake through the heart, live only at night, feed off of people, etc. etc. etc. came up to me tomorrow, proved they were real, and offered to change me on the spot.....

....I'd take it in a heartbeat.

You know why? Because if you live forever, you get to see all the tomorrows. You get to hear all of tomorrow's songs, and see all of tomorrow's movies, and experience everything. A curse? No. It's not a curse. It's a price, yes. A price for immortality that most people would pay in a heartbeat....or a lack of one.

And if I had the option to be that way and NOT be a monster, I'd take that too.

I dont think that 94 thousand people accounts for the millions of people that have watched and read twilight. Just the people who cared enough to vote.

Oh I was mostly referring to the ratio of men to women, which is what was most amusing. Mostly guys doing the rating(a 5.0) to the women(at 7.0) at a near 2 to 1 ratio.

No thats not what were talking about. Ive known women that masturbate to those kinds of books. Do you know of anyone that reads or watches twilight to get off?

Sadly? Yes. You should have heard the predominantly female crowd at the movie theater the opening night of New Moon. I was there. It was at once amusing(since some of these moaning women were quite hot) and annoying(as I was trying to watch a movie).

I really dont know why your standing up for twilight the way you are because youve openly admitted to its flaws.

Mostly because I get sick of the CONSTANT Twilight hate that is EVERYWHERE on the internet, and on the mouths of nearly every guy I meet. It's become fashionable to hate it and after awhile, the sheep need to be sheared a bit. You can hate it if you want....just stop telling me you hate it constantly and that it sucks and why it sucks and all this bullshit. Because really...it's all hypocritical.

The really sad thing about all this is that there is a really good vampire love story out there and its not getting the attention it deserves. Let the Right One In. Thats how its done. And of course its not going to ever have any kind of success here because its not all prettied up like twilight is.

Okay, um...I've seen Let the Right One In and it's a good movie...and it's many things...but a love story? No....not unless you're overly comfortable with "love stories" between 12 year olds.

[Hyde]

Sic stet, you syphon some seriously "inadequate" arguments here; is this what you would call foreplay?

Okay, first of all...don't use Latin to look smart. When you can actually SPEAK latin, THEN use Latin. Foreplay? No Atlas. This is what I call truth. Hell, you had an entire forum section named after you because you're so over-dramatic and, oftentimes...downright annoying. Begged anyone to be an OP again, lately? Stop using this forum as your own personal self validation.

Individually speaking, yes; that isn't too hard to figure out. I was speaking in regards to sociology. Get the picture?

No, actually. Because that's not what we're talking about. Good Taste is not something decided by anyone but those that consider themselves "upper class" or for that matter "Holier than Thou." Considering your tastes finer or better than someone else....well, now Atlas...that's a level of pomposity that I think would outdo even you. However we're now getting away from the point and away from the topic....so how about you keep the personal attacks to yourself?


It also doesn't take a mastery of the Arts and a some guts to say what you want. You like it, good for you; but I can say without a single strand of doubt that it's horrible;

In...your...opinion....which, thankfully, does not decide for the world no matter how much you might wish it. And you may not doubt it...but believing doesn't make it so.

moreover, there are tons of individuals who would back me up on this;

Yes, it's called "The Internet" and was the reason for me to even say any of this. Because it's like a giant bandwagon you want to all jump on. If that's your fun, fine. Don't decide for me, belittle my choices, or come off superior because I don't share your opinion or the opinion of others who can like whatever they want...

regardless, it really doesn't matter, Jason, because like the Devil King said himself, telling you over and over that the series is rubbish only inflames the issue, and really, there is no issue; so take your Twilight and head on home, my Edwardian pawn.

Good day.

Yeah, see....shit like this is why no one likes you, Atlas. You seem to think you're so much smarter and better than we are, and you type like you swallowed a thesaurus in an effort to appear smarter and more well educated than is truly necessary(or that you actually are). Altissima quaeque flumina minimo sono labi. If it "gets you off" then great, but I don't need fancy words(of which I know many) to make a point, or "parting shots" to mask the inadequacies I feel as a person when my argument fails.

In other words, in plainspoken English... Watch your ass with how you talk to me, or anyone else, on here. Your boorish behavior will get you in trouble and I'm really *not* putting up with bullshit from internet tough guys who don't hold a candle to my intellect or accumulated knowledge. Or was that too far?

[drunken monk]

Vampires were seldom the undead in traditional myth, more often being demons.

Im gonna use this to reference pretty much your entire vampire argument because its really quite simple. Undead and demons are 2 completely different things. So when dracula came along vampires took on a completely different identity. Something entirely different from the myth your talking about so your argument has absolutely no validity here.

You even admitted yourself that you think Twilight vampires are based off of Bram Stoker so why did you feel the need to bring that up in the first place?

Your argument holds up if we are talking about demons but were not. Were talking about undead. Does it make sense that a demon could impregnate a human? Of course. Does it make sense that an undead could? Fuck no. And thats what we are talking about here. Undead.

And IF Vampires were real, it's all entirely understandable. How else do you blend in when you don't want to be a monster? What are you supposed to do?

Uh... suffer. Because thats the whole point of a curse.

This one is easy. A Vampire wouldn't have the ability to physiologically change past the initial transformation. Therefore, women cannot become pregnant because the body cannot nurture or adapt to a fetus. They don't produce eggs to even BE impregnated. The males on the other hand would be locked into whatever age they are. In Twilight, the fluids of the body are "infected" and transformed by the vampire's venom. That would include semen, now including the vampire's genetic makeup. Again, none of this is real so why not? It makes perfect sense why a female wouldn't be able to give life but why a male would, and also go so far as to say it rarely ever happens because a male vampire wouldn't be able to stop from killing the woman in such a situation.....except in cases like this one where he loves her.

Again Hyde we are talking about a dude thats undead. The fact that his sperm would be able to help create life makes no sense at all. Its like saying a zombie could get a chick pregnant.

And where did you get this from? Anne Rice? Even Dracula was still a passionate, emotional, HUMANISTIC presence. He was consumed by love. I think perhaps you need to read the book. Losing your humanity isn't something one needs to worry about as a vampire. It's how you deal with what you are. By definition, anyone living for centuries would lose touch of what it means to be human at times. Vampire or otherwise.

I never said that vampires couldnt feel. But your example is flawed because he loved someone passionately and didnt get what he desired. Which simply backed up my point that you cant live a normal life as a vampire. edit: Of course humans lose people they love but my point was that what I took from dracula is that no matter how much you desire something from a human existence you cant have it as a vampire.

....I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Cool.

Oh I was mostly referring to the ratio of men to women, which is what was most amusing. Mostly guys doing the rating(a 5.0) to the women(at 7.0) at a near 2 to 1 ratio.

And to validate your point. If women dont care why would they bother voting?

Sadly? Yes. You should have heard the predominantly female crowd at the movie theater the opening night of New Moon. I was there. It was at once amusing(since some of these moaning women were quite hot) and annoying(as I was trying to watch a movie).

Lmao

It's become fashionable to hate it and after awhile, the sheep need to be sheared a bit. You can hate it if you want....just stop telling me you hate it constantly and that it sucks and why it sucks and all this bullshit. Because really...it's all hypocritical.

I dont fashionably hate anything. I hate it because I think it sucks. But the thing is Im not trying to tell you that you should hate it. All Ive done is point out everything about it that I hate. And whats wrong with voicing an opinion?

Okay, um...I've seen Let the Right One In and it's a good movie...and it's many things...but a love story? No....not unless you're overly comfortable with "love stories" between 12 year olds.

What would you call it then?

[Hyde]

K, drunken monk. You must obviously be right since you're now entirely invalidating my posts because I make 2 separate points. Regardless, I disagree with you and find your reasoning disconcerting as evidence you haven't read the books to give it a chance. That's your choice. Have a good night.

[drunken monk]

K, drunken monk. You must obviously be right since you're now entirely invalidating my posts because I make 2 separate points. Regardless, I disagree with you and find your reasoning disconcerting as evidence you haven't read the books to give it a chance. That's your choice. Have a good night.

Fuck no I havent read the books. Unless you count reading a good chunk of the first and never touching it again. Ive read a lot about them and had my ex explain the series to me in excruciating detail. And other then telling me more then I wanted to know she went on and on about how bad and poorly written it was so that on top of everything else makes me have no desire to read them. Im not gonna spend time reading something I already know Im gonna dislike.

If the love story aspect of it was good Id read it but its not. Even then I would read it if the vampire theme held up but it doesnt. Im not ok with the fact that the author seems to make up all the rules as she goes along to support her completely ridiculous storyline. And Im not ok with her version of what a vampire is as if I havent made that abundantly clear.

If you dig it thats cool. But I cant look past everything that I hate about it to find any redeeming qualities. It would have been nice if you actually spent more time talking about what you thought was good about Twilight because Im honestly curious.

As far as the movies ive seen both with the same ex. I got dragged both times into seeing them with her friends. Not because any of us expected it to be good. We were all looking for a laugh.

Anyways. Sweet dreams grumpy. Its been fun :)

[Devil King]

So many words for a simple like and dislike.

This is why I love this place. BTW, Twilight rocks.

[Indigo]

Agree to disagree. If we're talking in terms of personal taste than that's what you should do. But i find it funny how so much effort has been spent on arguing over a film that has only exceeded in terms of editing and mise en scene. Yet we speak about the narrative.

[charolastra00]

The writing of Twilight is objectively bad.

Bella is objectively a horrible, annoying character.

The weak love story plot is objectively more attractive to the average girl than the average boy.


Anything beyond that is up to individuals. We all have different interests and different levels of putting up with bullshit.

I can't get through Twilight not because of the general plot but because, as I've made incredibly clear, of how annoying I find Bella's character and her reactions to situations. If someone such as JK Rowling had taken the initial Twilight idea and written about it, I would probably love it. I've outgrown Twilight in it's current form- I would have been all over it in middle school the same way I was all over the TV show Roswell.

And as a final note on the conceptualization of vampires, each author has a different twist. There is no right or wrong. That's the nice thing about mythology, you can play off of whatever you want to and it's not going to be wrong. If I was to write a vampire story, you can bet it would be very different than how vampires have been traditionally and contemporary portrayed.

[Atlas]

Watch your ass with how you talk to me, or anyone else, on here. Your boorish behavior will get you in trouble and I'm really *not* putting up with bullshit from internet tough guys who don't hold a candle to my intellect or accumulated knowledge. Or was that too far?

Internet tough guys? Are you really that sure of yourself? Because from where I'm standing, you look like (even though you're really not) that same "internet tough guy" in which you speak of.

Nothing is too far, Jason--not even all of your combined "accumulated knowledge."

... oh boy.

[Roktan]

Twilight sucks because it is nothing more than the sick stalker fantasies of a hack writer. Someone said Meyer wasn't even going to publish the book. Well who ever came to her with the idea to do so needs to be forced to sit next to someone who is crocheting something that isn't there for the rest of their natural life. The fact that girls and women love this and most likely can't see the fact that Edward is a goddamned stalker, or perhaps do and don't care leaves me to start wondering if bad boys that abuse them are really want women want in a relationship, regardless of how much they complain about said guy after they've been married/going out for years.

This is what I think is the real reason behind the people who hate Twilight are mad about. It's not the plot, the characters, or Meyer's horrible concepts of vampire and werewolf mythology. It's that all the wrong messages are being sent, especially to impressionable young teenage girls. I know it's kind of lame to hate something popular for the rabid fans it creates, but the fact is, there were some fantards who threated people with death just because they didn't like Twilight. Taste is subjective, but the minute you obsess over something like this, claim that it's the greatest thing in existence and can't deal with someone else not having the same opinon you do, your taste is irrelevant and deserves to be mocked.

[Faith]

I liked the movies and the books, can't wait to see Eclipse. Team Jacob obviously.

[TheBlatantKatana]

Twilight sucks because it is nothing more than the sick stalker fantasies of a hack writer. Someone said Meyer wasn't even going to publish the book. Well who ever came to her with the idea to do so needs to be forced to sit next to someone who is crocheting something that isn't there for the rest of their natural life. The fact that girls and women love this and most likely can't see the fact that Edward is a goddamned stalker, or perhaps do and don't care leaves me to start wondering if bad boys that abuse them are really want women want in a relationship, regardless of how much they complain about said guy after they've been married/going out for years.

This is what I think is the real reason behind the people who hate Twilight are mad about. It's not the plot, the characters, or Meyer's horrible concepts of vampire and werewolf mythology. It's that all the wrong messages are being sent, especially to impressionable young teenage girls. I know it's kind of lame to hate something popular for the rabid fans it creates, but the fact is, there were some fantards who threated people with death just because they didn't like Twilight. Taste is subjective, but the minute you obsess over something like this, claim that it's the greatest thing in existence and can't deal with someone else not having the same opinon you do, your taste is irrelevant and deserves to be mocked.

Yeah, that about sums it up for me. To be sure, if I have a daughter that starts going out with a loser like Edward (Jacob too for that matter), I will slap her in the eye. Then proceed to sterilize her, so she can't mutate my perfect genes into retarded fake vampire genes.

Alright, and also, about the books (and overall plot devices themselves)...
I understand that it is supposed to be a "love" story. But Meyer throws hints of actiony bits in, which eventually fizzle into nothing. A good example is the final book, when you have all these vampires with admittedly awesome abilities who you assume will shortly be using said abilities in an awesome fight of Dragon Ball Z proportions...

(Spoiler Warning....if anyone cares....)

But no...a Deus Ex Machina is thrown in so everything is resolved peacefully. That's right, Renesme, the problem child that no one can figure out what she will be, is, conveniently, NOT the only of her kind. Alice and Jasper just so happen to stumble accross an adult version of the human/vamp hybrid at the VERY ENG OF THE FREAKING BOOK. So no awesome fight happens, and everyone goes home so that Ed an Bell can have sex some more. Fuck you Meyer. You Mutherfucking Bastard Fuck.

[Faith]

I do agree with Charo on Bella...I didn't like her from the start. If you seriously stop living and want to commit suicide over a person who left you, then you have fucking issues and you're a selfish bitch. The world does not evolve around Bella, but apparently in Twilight, it does. That annoyed the shit out of me, but I managed to read past it.

Not to mention the way she kept both Edward and Jacob on a leash...Jacob moreso, but still...that's messed up and again selfish.

[Indigo]

If you want complicated romance between an American Highschool girl and a handsome vampire go watch Buffy The Vampire Slayer. It's hugely better. I mean Belle doesn't have to kill any vampires, their relationship is not even controversial, where's the drama in that?

[TheBlatantKatana]

Dude, you want an epic vampire movie? Then Check this out:

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THE POWER OF CHRIST IMPALES YOU!!!!!!!!

...god I love this movie :)

[Phakiel]

I think that Jesus shouldnt have cut his hair, a ponytail would have worked, that haircut is totally weak.

And while we are twilight and are about little more than a week from the premiere of the third season of the best damn tv show since Dead Like Me, i.e. true blood, has any of you seen the Vampire Diaries?

It stars that ugly dude from the Fallen minisieries, which I thought had a great concept but I find the guy utterly repulsive and couldnt watch past the first episode, I mean what the fuck is up with this guy's eyebrows? On the other hand it also stars Ian Sommerhalder who has to be honest to god the most beautiful man on the planet. I have absolutely zero gay cells in my body but if I were to have the opportunity to kiss him, I'd have to think about it. Not for very long, but I'd have to pause. And also he totally rules as an actor in my book.

So yeah, is the series any good? It seems to be at least less retarded that Twilight.

[Faith]

I love Buffy, the Vampire Slayer. I still enjoy watching it <3

I stopped watching True Blood after episode 12 or so, doesn't appeal to me anymore.
I am however watching The Vampire Diaries and I like it because Damon is badass. And personally I do like it better than Twilight.
Although I do get annoyed when they make a movie/series based on a book and they fuck shit up, like the appearance of the characters. Elene is supposed to be blonde, Bonnie is supposed to be a white red-head and Elena has a little sister, not a teen brother and some more shit. But I still like the tv show.

[Indigo]

Yeah I'm re-watching Buffy. Cordelia and Anya 4eva!

True blood is so unbelievably sucky. I can't stand it. I love Alan Ball the (writer and director) to bits, for doing six feet under, hands down the best TV show in history as far as I'm concerned. When I was told it was created by him I knew I had to check it out, but I wish I didn't because I was terribly disappoint. The only good thing about that show is the opening titles. I go orgasmic over the opening titles. And don't get me started on dead like me. That one's even worse.

[Faith]

And I thought I was the only one who didn't like True Blood, cause all around me people are loving it and I'm just 'meh'. ^5 Indigo
As for Buffy, I think Faith is my favorite character and Spike is hilarious. I also thought Angelus is way better than Angel, he brings more spunk to the show.

[Indigo]

Yeah definitely. Angel is just annoying, and Edward is a blatant copy of his character. Faith is awesome. But she still doesn't beat this:

Cordelia: Senior boys are the only way to go. Guys from our grade, forget about it, they're children. You know? Like Jesse. Did you see him last night, following me around like a little puppy dog? You just wanna put him to sleep. But senior boys, hmm, they have mystery. They have... What's the word I'm searching for? Cars! I just am not the type to settle. You know? It's like when I go shopping. I have to have the most expensive thing. Not because it's expensive, but because it costs more."
Girl: You know, I...
Cordelia: Hello, Miss Motormouth, can I get a sentence finished? Oh, I love this song! Come on!

[Phakiel]

I never watched Buffy. Sarah Michelle Gellar's nose bothers me. Like really, I find it utterly annoying.

[Indigo]

I never watched Buffy. Sarah Michelle Gellar's nose bothers me. Like really, I find it utterly annoying.

I know what you mean. It does that weird thing where it sinks in the middle and had a kind of shapes this awkward upside-down prominent triangle on the tip of it. Makes her look like a hamster.

[Phakiel]

Yeah, its just so in your face. The only thing more annoying than that is people saying that Hillary Swank is hot. Ugh.

[TheBlatantKatana]

Yeah, its just so in your face. The only thing more annoying than that is people saying that Hillary Swank is hot. Ugh.

Obviously they didn't see her in Boys Don't Cry...

And I'm really not that into vampireness...

...'cept for Alucard. He's just a badass ^_^

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Yeah, I'm Team Alucard for sure :D

[Phakiel]

Or in anything. "she" makes Sarah Jessica Parker seem normal by comparisson. Name any movie and she looks like that rocker demon from ghostbusters, the one that haunted children through closets (boogieman?). The akarte kid 3. Million dollar baby. The one with the plagues. The that was like a toned down version of gangsta paradise. The woman is ugly. She is ok as an actress but she is in no way or form attractive. Don't piss in my pocket and tell me is raining Hollywood.

[Faith]

lmao, you didn't watch a show cause of an actress' nose? That's brilliant. But I see your point, it's a little weird, like she broke it or something.
@ Indigo: That is a good quote.

Faith: All men are beasts, Buffy.
Buffy: Okay, I was hoping to not get that cynical 'til I was at least forty.
Faith: It's not cynical. I mean, it's realistic. Every guy from... Manimal down to Mr. I-Love-The-English-Patient has beast in him. And I don't care how sensitive they act. They're all still just in it for the chase.

[Phakiel]

That and I found it to be utterly ridiculous. I was more a fan of the original buffy movie, where teenages were not played by people in their early 20s but people in their early 30s, like Luke Perry.

EDIT: But that whole lesbian thing between the chick from American Pie and the epileptic chick from King of the Hill was kinda cool.

[Faith]

Willow and Anya...yeah of course you thought that was cool (facepalm)
I personally didn't really like the movie much, I don't like Kristy Swanson. But Luke Perry seems to be getting good roles the older he gets. Saw him in a Criminal Minds episode as the leader of a religious cult. He played it well and he sure as hell looked like one.

[Phakiel]

Luke Perry has always been tits. Unlike the dude that played Brandon. He has that whole douchebag vide about him. Like if you meet him in real life you are certainly going to get him wearing "ironic" shirts and a fedora with a stripe at the base.

[Indigo]

Willow and Anya...yeah of course you thought that was cool (facepalm)


you mean Tara. Anya is the super cool ex-demon girl who is with Xander. She's just as awesome as Cordelia and Faith.

[Faith]

you mean Tara. Anya is the super cool ex-demon girl who is with Xander. She's just as awesome as Cordelia and Faith.

Yeah, I did mean Tara. I don't know where the fuck Anya came from. My apologies.

[Mark]

Can someone please toss this ridiculous thread in the fiery pits of the underworld? Twilight is the most worthless pezzo di merda ever written in the history of any literature out there. its ruining our youth and it fucked up the awesomeness of vampires everywhere. not to mention the characters are a bunch of worthless vessels with no personalities who all need to literally kill themselves because thats how horrible they are. the bitch who wrote the series needs to be tied at the stake and burned alive for ruining todays youth.

[Cloud]

I haven't heard of these books, Is it like Harry Potter for teens?:confused:

[Mark]

I haven't heard of these books, Is it like Harry Potter for teens?:confused:

it is no comparison. imagine a world where vampires sparkle in the sunlight, and everyone is like EMOfied times 10. let alone when words come out of their mouth its like the ultimate mono-toned personality ever. its bad...and people worship this garbage like fucking Jesus...there are warewolf packs in high school these days...fucking wolf packs! this shits gotta stop! DX

[Indigo]

I haven't heard of these books, Is it like Harry Potter for teens?:confused:

If you like the idea of a love story between a very bad actress and a vampire who is not a hell being, but is instead an emo kid with somewhat sharper teeth who showers in glitter every morning and considers himself straight-edge because he thinks eating animal blood makes him a vegetarian(which means the relationship isn't really that complicated), then twilight is definitely the film for you.

If you'd like to see the bad actress in the middle of this tug of war between a werewolf who really doesn't apply to the general rules of lycanthropy and has a face like he got punched by mickey mouse, and the previously introduced "vampire". Then New Moon is the film for you.

[Devil King]

So some of my co-workers want to have a girl's night out and all go see Eclipse. I'm kind of undecided if I really want to go or not.

I mean Twilight is dandy and all, but...

[Blackdragon]

Just came back from seeing it. It was ok. My girlfriend was all into it though. She's disappointed by the results, but still enjoyed the movie.

[Faith]

I'm going sometime next week with my mom. We watched the first two this week to remember what happened again.

[Indigo]

http://i.imgur.com/VCkpM.jpg

[Luisfe]

That image is applicable to Anne Rice's vampires as well. Likely more.

[Liam McDohl]

If you'd like to see the bad actress in the middle of this tug of war between a werewolf who really doesn't apply to the general rules of lycanthropy and has a face like he got punched by mickey mouse, and the previously introduced "vampire". Then New Moon is the film for you.

Screw you man, Jacob was the best part of that movie.

... and not just because the rest of it was completely shit.