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drunken monk
12-13-2009, 08:20 PM
So yesterday I got off a 6 day work stretch and had no idea what to do with myself. I wanted to play an rpg. Something old school. First I thought about the games in my collection I havent even played yet. Theres one game that Im ashamed Ive never played. Ill give a cookie to whoever can guess what that game is. Lets just say its sacrilegious for an rpg fan. Then I started thinking about replays. Ive been wanting to replay FFIX for years now so that was up there. Then I thought about LoD.

Its odd. When LoD came out it was huge. Probably the biggest rpg release on the psx that wasnt from Square. Everyone was talking about it and everyone was playing it. After I started thinking about that I cant even recall anyone even mentioning LoD here in a few years. I cant help but find that odd seeing as how big that game was in the past. So here I am with this thread. Its been a while so I figured it would be a good game to talk about... If anyone even remembers the game at all.

I know I didnt. I only played through it once and that was nearly ten years ago already. I have only vague memories of it so for the most part its a new experience for me. I remember back then the main point of discussion was LoD's similarities to FFVII. I was one of those people who didnt care. I still dont. Theres nothing wrong with drawing inspiration from something great. But theres a lot of similarities that I never noticed years ago and I have no idea how I missed them.

Graphically LoD looks just like FFVII. The characters move, jump, sit, with exactly the same animations that were used in FFVII. Its kinda creepy. Even the quality of the graphics are on par with VII which is odd considering it was released 3 years later. LoD looks better then VII sure. But nowhere near as good as CC or FFIX. It doesnt even look as good as FFVIII. Theres even some songs that remind me of VII. But overall the soundtrack in LoD isnt anything special.

Considering this game was meant to be direct competition for FF I would have expected LoD to have better production values. It didnt bother me back then but its more noticeable now. The art style still kicks ass though.

Another thing that bothers me so far is the script. Its very...juvenile. Like a 15 year old wrote it. I really hope thats due to poor translation and not what the script was like in the Japanese version. Overall Im not very impressed by the story. Im only about 9 hours in so Im hoping itll get better.

One thing that Ive had a change of heart about is the world map. Back then it really bothered me that I was lead through the world by dotted lines with no chance to explore. It doesnt bother me now. It keeps you on a deliberate pace and so far I havent had to grind which is nice.

The last thing Ill talk about is the battle system which I LOVE. I love the timed button presses for combos, counters and spells. It keep things interesting and forces you to pay attention instead of clicking through a menu and walking away to get a drink.

They even worked some timed button presses into the cutscenes which was cool.

The Dragoon transformations are still pretty badass. Thats one thing I still like as much as I ever did. Theres also some really cool cutscenes that take place after boss fights that use the graphics engine from the battle system which are really well done.

The battle system in LoD is definitely its strong point. Its really fun and its presented really well. Theres no static images on screen and they use dynamic camera angles for every attack. I love it. Its so good it makes me not cringe whenever a random battle occurs.

Even with my complaints Im still enjoying it so far and Im gonna try to finish it.

So what do you guys think? What were your impressions of LoD back when it came out and what do you think about it now? Is LoD a classic in your opinion or was it simply riding on FFVII's success?

Atlas
12-13-2009, 11:12 PM
It's okay.

CoolOtaku
12-14-2009, 12:28 AM
Duuude, I fuckin loved this game back in the day! My friend had it. Sadly, neither one of us had much experience with RPG's at the time and we only ever got past the first disc, but that was a fun game!

I really wish they'd come out with a DS version :p

I was absolutely in love with the overall style of it. Very good stuff.

drunken monk
12-14-2009, 12:38 AM
Oh man. You should get it off of ebay or amazon and give it a go. Its made by sony so if they ever make a hand held port itll be for the psp. The most likely thing that would ever happen would be a psn download that you can put on your psp like they did with FF7.

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LunarGriever
12-14-2009, 12:41 AM
I really loved this game back in the day, however it wasn`t without it`s flaws, namely the battle system. I really didn`t care for the timing attacks. Other than that though, I remember enjoying the game. Rose FTW!

Mark
12-14-2009, 12:57 AM
I loved LoD as well. it would be a good replay. I loved the battle system. it was fun. XD

CoolOtaku
12-14-2009, 08:43 AM
ahahaha, I had no idea that commercial even existed! XD

I need a PS/PS memory card/this game :o

Hewitt
12-14-2009, 01:42 PM
I've been going back and getting older games I missed out on and playing through them. This is one that I missed. I've heard mixed things about it, but I still always wanted to try it out.

drunken monk
12-14-2009, 03:13 PM
I need a PS/PS memory card/this game :o

Gah!?!?! Did you get rid of all your old PSX stuff? Man I never get rid of my old systems. Do you not have a PS2 anymore either? Thats what Im using to play it.

Hewitt: I would suggest getting it. You can get it off of amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00004S9AF/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&qid=1260802651&sr=8-1&condition=new) really cheap.

LoD's reception was extremely mixed. Half the reviews Ive seen gave it nearly perfect scores and the other half average. Its the same way with fans. To some people its one of their favorite games. To others its just ok. I guess it all depends on your taste. Some people really hated it for copying off of FFVII too much but after all these years no one really cares about that anymore.

Im leaning more towards the average side having played it again. I still have hope because I havent played it since I started this thread so Im still not that far into it. But so far Im not in love with it like I was back in the day. Still a decent game and its worth playing.

Itaska
12-14-2009, 09:57 PM
I loved the legend of dragoon when it came out. Beat it multiple times. I haven't played it in years.

twerp
12-14-2009, 10:25 PM
Besides a fun battle system, the rest of the game is pretty meh. I'm sure the FF7 similarites were no coincidence.

CoolOtaku
12-15-2009, 02:29 AM
Well, honestly, I just don't have access to my PS or PS2 right now. They're at home and I am not :p
But to further complicate things, I have no idea wth happened to my PS memory card and I haven't been able to find them for sale anywhere. I eventually gave up (I reaaaaally wanted to play Lunar 1 and 2 this past summer).

generalelectric
12-25-2009, 02:05 AM
i hated this game! i got half way or more through it, then i found out my level was too low in this dungeon, and i ran out of items. i couldn't go back to town to buy any.

piece of shit IMO.

drunken monk
12-26-2009, 06:54 AM
lol Is that the only reason you hated it?

About 3 years ago I replayed FF8 which is a game I hated back in the day. But for some odd reason I absolutely loved it that time. Of course I got to the last disk and completely screwed myself. I wasnt prepared at all and when you get to the last disk all the towns and shit become inaccessible.

That was worse then your situation :). I got right to the end and couldnt beat it. I hate when rpgs have points of no return. And in this case the entire last disk of FF8 is a point of no return. But I still enjoyed the replay and watched the ending on Youtube lol.

CoolOtaku
12-28-2009, 05:43 AM
Dude, that was totally Lunar 2 for me. Got to the final dungeon and realized by the boss fight that there's not even a spot to HEAL in the entire fucking thing! It was horrible ; - ;
I still love the game though (and Gameshark...).

I really wish I'd gotten farther in LoD now haha

Indigo
12-28-2009, 05:42 PM
i really want to play this game but i can't seem to find it in any store and I don't trust the post office.

lol Is that the only reason you hated it?

About 3 years ago I replayed FF8 which is a game I hated back in the day. But for some odd reason I absolutely loved it that time. Of course I got to the last disk and completely screwed myself. I wasnt prepared at all and when you get to the last disk all the towns and shit become inaccessible.

That was worse then your situation :). I got right to the end and couldnt beat it. I hate when rpgs have points of no return. And in this case the entire last disk of FF8 is a point of no return. But I still enjoyed the replay and watched the ending on Youtube lol.


This is off-topic but:

There was never a point of no return in FF8, the only thing you could never get again was cards because there was no one to play with. But in terms of shops you could use tomberry's call shop to buy items and doomtrain had a skill that let you call a weapon shop. All you needed to do is get them, and the game was sensible enough to open all the dungeons you needed to go to to get both the gfs and items necessary to do this.

I think why people usually have trouble beating Ultimecia is because of the fact that all 6 characters fight the last battle, so they junction everyone. What people forget is that you can only have 3 people out in that battle. SO just junction 3 characters and make them powerful. Some tips for vitory in 8 are:
- use auto-potion on 2 charcaters, make sure you only have x-potions in your items in terms of potions.
- use meltdown!!! it reduces enemy defence to 0 and there's no immunity to it. Doomtrain also does this.
- Aura magic is an obvious one.
- Use cerberus and make sure that someone has magic so you can cast tripple shells, protects, regens, auras, etc
- The party this best works with is Rinoa, Irvine and Squall. Some would choose Zell over Rinoa, it's your choice, but I can tell you that Rinoa's shooting star, if teamed up with meltdown, is the second best limit break after Squall's.
- Whenever a party member without junction comes up just get him/her killed. They will be replaced by someone else. Some people like to juntion one of the characters they don't want to use with self distruct(or whatever the skill is called in this game) which can do about 40,000 dmg, but it's not really necessary.

Sparking
12-28-2009, 07:28 PM
I am crazy about it. very nice game having many tricks inside.

generalelectric
01-06-2010, 12:34 AM
lol Is that the only reason you hated it?

About 3 years ago I replayed FF8 which is a game I hated back in the day. But for some odd reason I absolutely loved it that time. Of course I got to the last disk and completely screwed myself. I wasnt prepared at all and when you get to the last disk all the towns and shit become inaccessible.

That was worse then your situation :). I got right to the end and couldnt beat it. I hate when rpgs have points of no return. And in this case the entire last disk of FF8 is a point of no return. But I still enjoyed the replay and watched the ending on Youtube lol.


all you have to do is go to those islands with the enemies. i forget what they were as i ain't played it in................... several years????? :confused:

or is the last disk only ultimecias castle? why didn't you have other saves?


i never found ff8 hard. easy peasy cept for the ultima weapons.

Indigo
01-06-2010, 09:58 AM
i never found ff8 hard. easy peasy cept for the ultima weapons.

That was easy peasy too if you had Rinoa in your party or if you used Hero's. And you could transform one of the Brothers cards into 100 Hero's, Which wasn't much of a sacrifice since the card was pretty shitty and there was no one to play cards with.

generalelectric
01-08-2010, 07:53 PM
i keep remember i tried heros but they did nothing. what were they supposed to do?

Indigo
01-08-2010, 10:14 PM
i keep remember i tried heros but they did nothing. what were they supposed to do?

When the effect is on you get 0 damage, no matter what kind of damage it is. You're immune to everything, yes even instant death.

TheBlatantKatana
01-09-2010, 04:34 AM
Holy Wars did the same thing, right? Only for the whole party? I remembered you could get those from one of the cards too, but I don't remember which one. I've actually started playing ff8 again. Not very far yet though. Still at the SeeD field exam in Dollet. Going after X-ATM092 for the AP.

...Funny how this turned into a FF8 thread :D

I liked Dragoon well enough. Hated the dialog though. It wasn't even the good, funny kind of shoddy translation. I don't see that many similarities between it an ff7 though. At least, no more than any other jrpg at the time...