the paranormal thread

[scorpion]

I believe it's time we had a thread about this. atm I'm looking up info on the skinwalker ranch, it's supposedly a portal/gateway to other dimesnions or at least portals from other dimesions have been reported to appear there.

heres a link to a the most common story about skin walker ranch:

http://www.altereddimensions.net/places/SkinwalkerRanch.aspx


really intersting place they even wrote a few books on it.

heres a video of some odd lights at the ranch:
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so has anyone had any experiences with ghosts,ufos, etc.

[Evil]

I find the subjects of ghosts and the occult far more fascinating than UFOs and aliens, but sadly, I haven't had any first hand experience with any.

[Devil King]

I'm a firm believer in the unknown esp. since my house is all sorts of weird. Many, many things have happened here and many family members and loved ones have experienced things.

To be quite frank, it's shocking when someone doubts the existence of spirits/ghosts/what have you. At the same time I'm very skeptical, though.

[Evil]

I loved The Blair Witch project. This is relevant because I say so.

[LadyAkuma]

I've had really creepy experiences but for the sake of my sanity I just tell myself it was my imagination. X/ I like ghost stories but I am a big fraidy cat too. :(

[Phakiel]

I liked watching UFO documentaries and stuff but I am still not that open to ghosts and related affairs. Right now I am having some unusual shit at my house, maybe its just that I am not sleeping well but sometimes, I wake up in the middle of the night with the thought that somebody is talking or watching me or going off about my living room. Sometimes I wake up because I feel somebody grabs my arm or touches my head. Its quite creepy. Also I have been having some really fucked up dreams like this one where a psycho sequesters my family and ends up killing some people and I kill him with a fork on his head, like fucked up movie shit and I havent even seen a horror movie since like mid last year, and it was "It".

My sister says its ghost and shit, maybe my apartment was built on a cemetary, i dont know. I dont believe there are ghosts, possibly until one materializes in front of me and calls me Susie but thats how I am, quite empirical.

Also, all sort of death is happening. Like in January two friends lost their grandparents, and this saturday my godfather died. And a bunch of people are dying and getting cancer, mayber its just coincidental but its kinda weird.

[Devil King]

In my opinion, evidence of the afterlife is massive.

[moogle]

Simply, I don't believe in the paranormal. There are a great many mysteries out there but I withhold judgment in the absence of conclusive evidence. I used to be pretty interested in aliens and UFOs when I was a kid, though.

[scorpion]

Simply, I don't believe in the paranormal. There are a great many mysteries out there but I withhold judgment in the absence of conclusive evidence. I used to be pretty interested in aliens and UFOs when I was a kid, though.



well then how would you explain some of the odd ghosts stories and occurances that happen to people since you don't believe in the paranormal?

[Devil King]

Ah, I miss when I used to moderate the paranormal part of the forum on Dire Legacy.

There's so much I want to add to this, but my laziness is severe..

[moogle]

well then how would you explain some of the odd ghosts stories and occurances that happen to people since you don't believe in the paranormal?
I didn't claim to have special knowledge that explains every "supernatural" occurrence. I just don't think it's reasonable to jump to wild conclusions.

People believe in a lot of things. From my perspective, I take stock in the scientific method. If your claim doesn't hold up under scrutiny, I have no reason to believe it. And if it's something that we can't explain with science, that doesn't give you permission to fill the void with your own wishful fantasy. Of course you can, but I have no reason to take what you say seriously. It's that simple really.

[Phakiel]

To be fair, the whole dragon myth was originated because they found dinosaurs fossils. Maybe ghosts and shit are just weird stuff we still dont have the complete knowledge to acurately comprehend right now. I believe science can explain pretty much anything given time.

[Cyrus the virus]

There are (vague) mentions of dragons in the bible.

[moogle]

To be fair, the whole dragon myth was originated because they found dinosaurs fossils. Maybe ghosts and shit are just weird stuff we still dont have the complete knowledge to acurately comprehend right now. I believe science can explain pretty much anything given time.
I basically agree with what you're saying. Obviously unexplained phenomena must have some cause, it's just a matter of figuring out what it is. Though I'm pretty sure a lot of what many people still consider "evidence" has already been debunked.

[Karsh]

In my opinion, evidence of the afterlife is massive.

I would like you to expand on this, if possible

[Phakiel]

There are (vague) mentions of dragons in the bible.

There is also the mention about this dude who could turn water into wine and ressurect the dead. I mean, HA!

[Cyrus the virus]

I don't believe in the bible, but I can see some interesting historical things in there. I mean, dragons? Cool. I imagine that when the texts were written a lot of accurate things were actually written in them.

[Phakiel]

It could be that some word got out about some digging where they found some t rex bones and then there is a dragon, or could have been the middle ages rewrite which incorporated dragons into the thing.

Now the part of the bible which I find to be a huge awesome acid trip if Revelations. I remember when I was a kid in bible study they would leave us to read Mathew or the other dudes and I would just go and read revelations with the beast and the whore and thought, fuck this is cool.

[Devil King]

Revelations is one portion of the bible that I could never find at least somewhat appealing. It's way too anthropomorphic and abstract to make any sense of, whatsoever. I always preferred the other books that are more relatable.

Oh, and Karsh? What I told you depends on what you think constitutes as evidence. When someone mentions orbs and mystical phenomena I tend to take it with a grain of salt - but even so, the possibility is still there. It's a bit fascinating when happenings are so widespread that many different people experience similar experiences. It's also fascinating when you yourself witness things that are beyond the realm of the mundane.

I'm not by any means saying that it's grounds to fully believe in an afterlife, but I do believe that it's something that could be scientifically possible and even probable that something happens after we die.

[The Dormouse]

hmph.

[Cyrus the virus]

THE DORMOUSE SPEAKS TO QUIET US ALL
WITH RIDDLES OF SILENCE
"RELATE YE TO ME THESE TALES OF PARANORMAL
SO I MIGHT DEBUNK AND DEDUCE AND DEVOUR
YOUR SILLY THOUGHTS ON GHOSTS 'N SHIT"

[Priest4hire]

I have never had a paranormal experience, or at least not a good one, so I can't really comment from personal experience. From what I've read, most such claims will collapse under scrutiny. What remains is a very stubborn core. But what to make of it?

So let's say I see a ghost. As in a free-floating, full-torso, vaporous apparition. Is it more scientific to assume I saw what it seemed I saw or that I had some sort of hallucination? Is a guess that sounds science-like, involving something like electromagnetism, better than one involving an after life existence?

A while back I read a book by Dr. Rick Strassman called DMT: The Spirit Molecule. It''s an account of his effort to gain FDA approval for human trials involving DMT and the results of those trials. To the point, he wrote down the experiences people had under the drug but he didn't assume these experiences were entirely self-created. In other words, he at least allowed the possibility that the drug was allowing them to experience something real and not just creating hallucinations.

Is that more or less scientific?

PS. On a very minor note: It's the Book of Revelation. No 's' on the end.

[Poofy]

I do not believe in any paranormal or extraterrestrial myths.


I'm boring like that..

[Karsh]

Revelations is one portion of the bible that I could never find at least somewhat appealing. It's way too anthropomorphic and abstract to make any sense of, whatsoever. I always preferred the other books that are more relatable.

Oh, and Karsh? What I told you depends on what you think constitutes as evidence. When someone mentions orbs and mystical phenomena I tend to take it with a grain of salt - but even so, the possibility is still there. It's a bit fascinating when happenings are so widespread that many different people experience similar experiences. It's also fascinating when you yourself witness things that are beyond the realm of the mundane.

I'm not by any means saying that it's grounds to fully believe in an afterlife, but I do believe that it's something that could be scientifically possible and even probable that something happens after we die.

I was more hoping you would give some specific examples of why you think there is the existence of an afterlife. Really, I am interested

[scorpion]

To be fair, the whole dragon myth was originated because they found dinosaurs fossils. Maybe ghosts and shit are just weird stuff we still dont have the complete knowledge to acurately comprehend right now. I believe science can explain pretty much anything given time.



I have to disargee with you there, I say science can explain things up to a point but it can't explain everything no matter how much tiome is given. a good example would be ghost sounds, now I was chatting with a friend of mine on xbl who lives in michigan. he said that he lives near a car park or somehting similar to it(it was late, I was tired, and don't remember it all.) anyway he says during the winter it is chained up and no one goes by it. anyway fromt ime to time he hears a car door slam shut. he's went out and looked around and seen nothing and his nearest neighbor is like a mile away. so he goes and looks around but no cars are to be seen and he's not hearing things cause a friend of his heard it as well. now can sciene explain these starnge noises he hears given time? I doubt it can.

[Indigo]

I'm a believer in the supernatural, but I don't obsess about it. I've had certain things happen to me and my family that I can only lump in the occult category.


In my opinion, evidence of the afterlife is massive.

It really all depends on what you take as evidence. I don't really believe in afterlife in the popular sense of the word. I believe, and I think with great influence from science and not just poetic thinking, that nothing is destroyed, nothing is created, and everything is always becoming. What exists now has become what it is and will become what it isn't. When we die we physically become part of the earth and the earth part of the universe. I believe that our thoughts and our deepest human identity become one with the earth too and are constantly recycled in the universe. I guess this can mean that I am a believer in reincarnation, but I don't believe there is a greater force that judges what we are incarnated into based on our moral conduct, that's just silly.

[moogle]

I have to disargee with you there, I say science can explain things up to a point but it can't explain everything no matter how much tiome is given. a good example would be ghost sounds, now I was chatting with a friend of mine on xbl who lives in michigan. he said that he lives near a car park or somehting similar to it(it was late, I was tired, and don't remember it all.) anyway he says during the winter it is chained up and no one goes by it. anyway fromt ime to time he hears a car door slam shut. he's went out and looked around and seen nothing and his nearest neighbor is like a mile away. so he goes and looks around but no cars are to be seen and he's not hearing things cause a friend of his heard it as well. now can sciene explain these starnge noises he hears given time? I doubt it can.
I've said it before and I've said it again: if it manifests in our perceptible reality, there's no reason there should be any exemption from science from detecting it. That's not to say science will explain everything, but in theory, it can. And I put more stock in the scientific method than hearsay and conjecture.